/r/videos has turned into an all out brawl between feminists and mensrighters over the video of a fight between a man and woman. Drama everywhere, sort by controversial. The up/down count on the linked comment is intense. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
250 ups - 81 downs = 169 votes
336 comments submitted at 00:37:32 on Nov 4, 2013 by Erra0
I can't wait for that one special drama that pits every meta sub against each other in a massive shit storm that ultimately destroys reddit itself.
You have foreseen Dramageddon too?
Is that before or after the popcornocalypse?
The slap fight that leads up to it
I've always pictured it starting with a terribly unfunny pun thread.
If that was the trigger reddit would be a scorched earth already.
Who says it isn't?
No, no, that's Ragnapop.
All of SRD getting butter-induced heart disease, the first sign of the Metaocalypse
If the metaocalypse is started by Metalocalypse, I will be so happy.
"Swizgaar says circlebroke, quote; 'is dildoes'."
/r/planetpiss
Nah, it'll stem from Home Movies.
Apopcornlypse?
Trambopoline!
"Outrage tonight as Presidential candidate of the Anarcho-Communist Party Anita Sanskereet tried castrating Presidential candidate Gabe Newell of the National-Socialist Party. After he commented that the pledge of allegiance should be extended up to High School and have 'One Nation Under God' changed to 'One God, One Nation, One Leader'"
"Despite only pushing Anita, Gabe Newell was taken to a maximum security prison on charges of 'abusing his privileges.' When asked for a statement, Gabe only commented that 'his only crime was standing up for mentally healthy people everywhere. And that men everywhere are being forced to go against biological gender programming by being pussified by the current education system.'" Citing such example as the continuing no-tolerance policies in schools, LGBTQIAXYZ tolerance month, and free gender-reassignment/abortion surgery to anyone under the age of 12.
"Anita Sanskereet has vowed, as president of the United Nations, to outlaw capitalism (including internet currencies such as bitcoins, TF2 keys and reddit gold), dismantle the NSA 'as an old relic of statism', to shift focus away from extending literacy to 3rd world provinces to more important matters such as women in videogames and promoting Gender Studies as an academic subject, and to outlaw 'extended cannibalism' (meat consumption). However, Richard Dawkins, Vice-President candidate pointed out that her policies may escalate the terrorist attacks carried out by the Roma-Islamic Unity Front, while pointing to a chart comparing IQ with race." He later claimed police need more search powers, increased use of chemtrails, more open communication with the reptile people, and more gun control legislation are all needed. Big Red responded with "shut the fuck up" several times over.
If elected president, Gabe Newell promises to release Half-Life 3 as a console-exclusive game.
7/10
Needs more Ann Coulter, Alex Jones, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin. etc.
You've won.
Feminist Lesbian Atheist Ron Paul supporting Gamer Conspiracy theorist bullied by a cop as she rides a bike, topless, while carrying a kitten.
Did I leave out any?
You forgot to add:
As she's watched by the NSA
And something about vegans.
Don't forget to add a confession bear, just in case.
And circumcisions. All of my studies in ancient texts lead to this conclusion.
Tipping?
Removing the tip.
Not anymore
Reddit loves foreskin quibbles.
And childfree
TRP needs to be mentioned as well.
She ran over a redditor's dog.
>implying that needs to be said
There is a disturbing lack of friendzone and Sweden.
Obviously shes from S[weed]en and the cop was in the friendzone.
She needs to be breastfeeding a circumcised infant.
Throw some pro marijuana stuff in there and you're gtg.
who doesnt tip on principle
What does that have to do with breaking bad?
Don't leave out the Xbox1 hating PS4 folks
Lol Xbone
Did someone call for the PC master race?
The cop is George Zimmerman.
Reddit Marineford.
Gabe punching Anna Sharsomething after she fat shames him and calls him gay should do the trick.
Of course. I expected that thread to show up here eventually. It's like this was its destiny.
We just had to leave the thread. Like water, it won't boil while we watch.
I love how people are deciding the facts based on their own beliefs instead of the events at hand. I believe in aliens, so aliens caused that video.
the funny thing is that so many huge conclusions are being drawn from a video that's barely a minute long.
A minute long video with people who look to be completely wasted. I'm sure he was really contemplating women's roles in society when he punched that girl just as I'm sure she was trying to make a huge feminist statement on equality when she kicked him in the nuts. I watched the video and just knew it would be a train wreck in the comments section.
Me too, which is why I excitedly opened it up to the present of fresh popcorn.
~~most~~ all of the people from srs/trp are social outcasts trying to analyze people (mostly from the opposite sex, which they have near zero experience with) for their own edification... being that they significantly lack any real life experience, any issue is a gender issue where they try to assert their misguided believes about how they think the world (which they are not apart of) works.
I think the main annoyance is the commentary. It goes from "oooh" to "That guy just fucked up that woman!" after he hits her back for the first time.
i was wondering when that thread was gonna show up here, the fallout of these kinds of "gender-reversal"/"dude hits chick" posts is always a fuckton of really good drama
it was posted in /r/justiceporn too, and that post is currently on the front page as well
these posts are so common, you can pretty much predict what the top comments are going to be. you can't go wrong with "equal rights, equal fights" or some variation thereof ("equal rights, equal lefts"). i swear that gets posted every time there's talk of a woman getting hit by a dude, i'm so fuckin tired of seeing it. although i don't mind it quite as much as the "be attractive/don't be unattractive" comment that's really popular right now, fuck that phrase so hard
edit: choice drama from the /r/justiceporn thread: 1 2 3
Holy hell. Thanks for reminding me why I unsubscribed from /r/justiceporn.
So many people using the old "teach her a lesson" argument. There are so many legal and ethical ways to go about teaching her a lesson about not punching people that don't involve violence or retaliation. And when some one brings it up (see here) they just dismiss it. How can they be so single minded, and so violently so?
Everyone there is so angry 100% of the time. It's a violent place.
/r/misguidedvindicationporn
>Be attractive/don't be unattractive"
is such a goddam cop-out. It makes me irrationally angry. Would you want to date a woman that horrifically shallow? Because it would be a massive turn off to me if a woman complained about being hit on by 'ugly men'.
It's such a pity-party cringe-inducing comment.
Are you saying that you don't like hot chicks?
A hot chick called him ugly.
> It makes me irrationally angry.
kek. Seriously, people who get this mad over internet comments should probably stay out of SRD, and get a hobby while you are at it.
There is nothing "horrifically shallow" about seeking attractive people. And attractive people do seek other attractive people, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
What do you no like about the "1. Be Attractive. 2. Don't be attractive" phrase? I think it's just a funny statement about how humans always seek out attractiveness.
It's one of those easy jokes to make. Kinda like this one. It's also a great joke for a person who would otherwise have nothing to contribute to the conversation. When you factor in karma and ranking by public approval, you get the horribly regurgitated mess where people want to keep saying things they are comfortable seeing and upvoting things they continuously recognize.
Here is a comic I made that somewhat applies here. http://i.imgur.com/0KBQn2y.png
it has just become so ubiquitous and played out, i want it to go away. yeah it was funny the first time i saw it but it shows up in every relationship thread and it adds nothing of value to the discussion. i just want to go one day without seeing that comment highly upvoted, gilded and circlejerked to completion
AHAHAHAHA THAT HIT DOE
Gotta love the gender drama.
Can't we say that both parties are wrong? Don't assault others. Walk away from altercations. He was clearly in no danger, and she shouldn't have hit him first.
I feel like you can't really debate right or wrong from that kind of video. There was clearly something going on but we have no real idea what it was and you can't hear whatever those people are actually saying and hell you can hardly see what actually happens prior to girl into window.
Like you can't even tell what the guy is doing in the doorway, or why he's there, or what the group of people are doing. Context is fucking -everything- when it comes to "is it okay to hit person" and we have nothing but extrapolations.
Also it doesn't help that reddit just loves their petty vengeance / vigilantism and thinks that people should just have the shit beaten out of them for no reason other than 'they deserve it.'
If we're not going to judge the scope of gender worldwide by a few seconds of low-quality video, then what the fuck else are we supposed to do between masturbation sessions?
read sagan
If it has too many words to fit in large font on an image macro we ain't interested.
Don't worry man, here you have some science.
There really isn't a single scenario where the person throwing the first punch is justified in doing so, especially when not being directly threatened.
> There really isn't a single scenario where the person throwing the first punch is justified in doing so
Do you mean in the context of this video or ever? Because I can think of more than a few where throwing the first punch is incredibly justified. Though I guess that depends on how you define throwing the first punch--for example, if someone pulls a knife of you, does that count as the "first punch", metaphorically?
Maybe she didn't throw the first punch. She didn't need to hit back, but neither did the guy.
FUCK CONTEXT I LIIKE TO MAKE RASH JUDGEMENTS!
It also fits neatly into the "entitled female gets her comeuppance" trope that Reddit is very, very fond of.
It very much goes both ways. Ever look at /r/relationships or /r/sex?
Kind of funny how much the old trope of "People see what they want to see" gets turned around here... People seem to only see what they hate most.
The dude in the doorway is a bouncer. In the UK fast food shops will often hire security after the clubs kick out.
Yeah, why would anyone want to come to the defense of either of those idiots.
Personally, I'm rooting for the window pane repair guy that's going to come in the next morning.
"WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU!? THOSE MONSTERS!"
--Window Pane Repair Guy
WHHHYYYYYyyy???
The hero we deserve
To be fair, if real life had Achievements, surely one of them would be to punch someone through a window.
DEFENESTRATION BADGE UNLOCKED
How dare you suggest reason and avoid a flame war on the internet?! Are we all supposed to act like sane adults now?
i just hate the polarizing attitudes people have. Black, White, no gray.
Obviously the girl shouldn't have hit him. It's the sheer glee with which his whacking her back is being celebrated that is somewhat disturbing.
is it possible to hold the man responsible for his actions and appreciate that punch at the same time? cause damn, that was a nice hit
that's what I'm doing.
My brother doesn't think he meant to hit her that hard, and the glass shattering is the only reason why it seems like he hit her hard,
moral of the story: drunk people are annoying
No. (I don't care if that was rhetorical.)
Where are the mensrighters?
anyone who defends a man is an MRA, apparently
Oh no, they're there. You haven't looked through the thread enough. It is going on 6000 comments at this point.
Went through, my TRP tags lit up everywhere. Noped it back here.
TRP?
/r/TheRedPill
You make it seem like you are on some sort of high-tech computer, with red dots flashing up labelled TRP, with your comm officer giving you the low-down on the situation.
There's some sort of pre-tagged list somewhere, right? Where does one get that?
/r/masstagger
I never got that to work properly. Is it suppose to take forever to masstag?
/r/NSA
Do people really go around tagging people ?
Seems kinda fun actually.
There are tools that can do it for you.
nah they use bots to scrape all the posters of a given sub and import it into RES Reddit Enhancement Suite ಠ_ಠ
This allows those from trp/mr and srs/fempire to have like a radar with blips on it so it seems ways cooler like they are in a dog fight. Sure beats the reality of frito lays, mountain dew and cum crusted keyboards.
That's so awesome
I just do it randomly. For example, I now have you tagged as "enthusiastic dolphin rapist".
damnit.
Enjoy some privacy, rapist
'Major Hawaii Dolphin Rape Cave' dafuq.
And you can always shortcut it by going to the /r/justiceporn x-post.
Looks like OP has stared too long into the abyss that is meta reddit.
That's just what an MRA would say...
BETTER DEAD THAN MRA YOU DAMN MRA-UDER
/r/MRAmythos
disappointing.
Anyone who disagrees with the feminists is obviously a mensrighter.
...
Pretty much every top comment.
I saw that post develop since it was given birth, even checked the youtube comments. Mensrighters sure are fast and wide spread on the internet these days according to your logic.
Oh I thought this was about the video of the female/male soldier boxing match. That one should show up here with similar drama any moment now.
link?
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1pt6pn/marinegruntboxesfemalearmysoldiertko/
That was already posted to this sub here
I actually thought this was a repost at first when I saw the title.
Its hard for the SRS brigade to justify their jerk when she literally asked for it.
I knew this was going to see a SRD link as soon as I saw this on my front page.
I gotta say, I kept watching her last punch on repeat. She appears to have good form, her guard up and land a nice right hook to his face. I think any reasonable person would respond. not to mention she already proved her potential with a kick to the groin. She was the aggressor.
It doesn't matter what happened, only which side people want to fall on in this "gender war." No matter that people got hurt or someone might go to prison for it.
Thanks for the breakdown Mills Lane.
What's new? This happens every time we see a fight between a man and a a woman on /r/justiceporn. This is grist for the mill.
>I look forward to the reasoned discussion of gender issues that this thread will surely bring.
Yeah, the first few times comments like these were amusing. Now they're just reeking of self-righteousness and superior-to-both syndrome.
Don't hate on superior-to-both syndrome! That's what fuels this sub!
I commend you on finding a way to feel superior to all three sides.
Well I'm glad you found such a good way to be meta-meta-superior.
Oh come on this is srd. We love to feel superior to both sides. It's not even a secret.
I understand what you're saying but I usually appreciate those kind of comments because it usually serves as a warning that the comments are really shitty.
That comment pretty much sums up this sub. Just look at the top comments here. And any post.
Or maybe it's just people half-heartedly pointing out the inevitability of these types of threads?
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This thread is pure hilarity. We're gonna be here for awhile.
That dude is huuuuge. Must have been a crazy situation. I'm genuinely curious what made her hit him.
Speculation from an asshole: she thought she could get away with a groin kick. Those are "funny" and don't seem as violent as a punch to the face. When he hit her back, she probably got hurt, angry and embarrassed (I would be, so). Her friends' outrage probably fueled her, and she felt she needed to get him back. That second punch was thrown with actual technique, it doesn't look like it was a sudden reaction to something - compare to his arm punches.
I bet a bunch of regulars can say that I'm the feminist Hitler or something, but all I saw was 60 seconds of two drunk looking idiots wailing on each other. Without context, all I can say is that hitting people is bad, 'mkay? I think that all gets lost in the equal lefts and misandry and misogyny and average strengths and hypothetical whatsits. Don't hit people. Don't be so gleeful about hitting people. And don't reveal that you can easily imagine yourself in the place of either person, because that tells me an awful lot about your drunken risk assessment and your uncanny ability to start shit.
For the average redditor I would say it's just a kind of vicarious revenge fantasy. For all those times a girl hit them and they felt powerless to do anything in return because, well she was a girl.
Then all of sudden you're watching a video of a personification of that social constriction get haymakered through a glass window, and not only that but there's a self-rightous "justice" that you can hide your spite behind.
Makes me wonder where they went to school, and what kind of shit they started. I went to kind of rough schools. Not ghetto, but firmly working class poor. Didn't see anything like Misandrist Beatdown Time on the playground.
I think the apt SRS style term might be "microaggressions".
I once threw a grain of sand at a kid.
Jokes aside though, SRS is hardly the originator of that term. That said, while it's valid and useful, it's pretty much as productive to whip out your sociology buzzwords on reddit as it is for a flasher to whip out his cock at a preschool. I feel the same way about philosophy words like "ad hominem," but that doesn't stop anyone.
I go to school in an extremely well off area and I've seen girls wallop guys really hard before. I don't think it's maliciously, they're just trying really hard to be "one of the guys" or "don't take no shit", and they take it too far. These aren't "rough" or "ghetto" girls. They're girls who don't know their own strength. And, it's still not okay for them to hit others.
(That's not the context of the video, but the "feeling justice cause they got hit by girls before")
Can somewhat confirm. Between 11 and 13 years old I was trying so hard to be "one of the dudes", but to be honest I've never met someone who didn't fight back. It would have been a shame for me if he didn't fight back, actually.
> They're girls who don't know their own strength.
What about the boys who don't know their own strength?
They exist too? I don't really understand that question.
Someone is full of themselves. I lurk and see you occasionally. I only remember because every post is looking down at someone. You'd make a good mascot, if you were being ironic.
That wasn't even a punch. That was just a jab. If that dude threw a real punch people would be going to the hospital.
A jab is a form of punching.
Does anyone know the context, I mean, I have to believe the door was being blocked for good reason, but that's another side of the story left out.
Stupid people doing stupid shit followed by more stupid shit. I think that pretty much sums it up.
It seems like a bouncer incident where 'troublemakers' are being kept out/kicked out (and kept out) of an establishment. There are more people than the big green sweatshirt wearing man involved, including several guys in blue jackets and some guy in a baseball cap in front of the green guy who is also addressing the arguing crowd in front of the door, all who seem like part of a security team. Is the green sweatshirt guy part of that team or just the other part of an altercation that lead to those people being blocked/removed, dunno.
Looks like another bouncer to me, they often hire plain clothed security in these places.
Why can Reddit not behave itself around issues of gender
The internet is a breeding grounds for SJW's of both genders.
Does anyone understand what went down in the video? What was all the fuss over?
I've heard a couple people speculate that the guy was a bouncer but it seems like no one really knows for certain.
Two things:
Looks like we've got red and blue mixing to form the perfect storm.
I'm pretty sure I've figured out why reddit loves these woman vs man altercations so much - they likely salivate at the thought of being in that situation, to be justified in knocking a woman's lights out, tipping their fedora, and walking away feeling all proud and such.
I'm not saying anyone should assault anyone else willy-nilly, and if anyone hits you the proper response is to either walk away or hit them the fuck back, but seriously, reddit salivates over this shit: "OH MY GOOD GOD A WOMAN HAS HIT A PRECIOUS MALE! IMAGINE GENDER REVERSAL AND HE'D BE IN 10,000 PRISONS! NOW IF I WERE IN THAT SITUATION (A MAN CAN DREAM) OH MAN I WOULD ASSERT SO MUCH DOMINANCE OVER HER! MMM THANKS BIOLOGY FOR MY SUPERIORITY!"
Fucking gold.
Are you serious?
So what's the up-down count? I don't have the Reddit Enhancement Suite.
>Ugh, comments like this are so annoying. If you have something insightful to say, then say it. The hipsterish "oh i'm so above the level of commentary on this thread" line is getting old. If you think someones arguments aren't well reasoned then try starting a discussion with them. Your self indulgent little quips about how brilliant you are don't contribute in any way.
HOW DARE YOU NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SHIT FLINGING! PICK A SIDE!
They should both be under arrest for assualt.
(Guess I shouldn't expect a Christmas card from the MRAs or feminists)
Fighting back is rarely a crime. It would depend on the local laws.
There are those few places that require you to try to flee I think. Some places require you not to use disproportionate force. Cops might consider punching her through a window to be disproportionate.
Disproportionate force is rarely how hard did someone punch someone else vs how hard did they get punched. It is usually he punched me so I stabbed him. Or he punched me so I beat him repeatedly until he was unconscious. Yeah that isn't proportional.
I don't think when he threw that punch he thought "This will send this girl tumbling back through a window", I think he just punched. If someone started wailing on me and I pushed them away in desperation and they stumbled and fell onto a curb and cracked their head open and died, I shouldn't be arrested for using disproportionate force, right?
I know it's an exaggeration but I think you get my point. He threw a punch in return for a punch, how she reacted to it should have little bearing on his punishment imo, at least in this case.
Intent > consequences. His intent was self defense. Her intent was to harm others.
Edit: I see most redditors don't follow Kantian ethics.
Woah, let's not get it twisted. Yeah he was defending himself but his intent was retaliation, not defense of his well being/life. That doesn't make him wrong but let's not get the intent fucked up here. Retaliation is not worse than assault but it's still not defense.
His intent was defensive. He showed twice that he would not tolerate assault. Reaction is not the same as retaliation.
You're not grasping what I'm saying.
He was not an aggressor and he was defending himself, but his intent was not defense of his well being or life, it was retaliation. There's a distinct difference there. That doesn't make him wrong and it doesn't make him an aggressor, it just makes him retaliatory. If we're going to talk intent we might as well get it right.
Which you haven't done. He reacted in such a way as to defend his well being.
Running would have been a defensive action.
> He reacted in such a way as to defend his well being.
Jesus, you're more dense than a neutron star. If you can't grasp such an elementary nuance between the concept intent and action then I'm not going to do this.
Kantian ethics are great for an internal moral system, but a shitty, shitty way to judge others. From the perspective of the outsider, consequences > intent, since I have to take your word for what your intent was.
And if the internet teaches you anything, anything at all, it should be that PEOPLE LIE.
>And if the internet teaches you anything, anything at all, it should be that PEOPLE LIE.
You mean that that nigerian prince did not actually intend to share his millions with me?
:/
That is only a problem with certain people. It works perfectly if we assume the average person is not a piece of shit.
Yes, except that a significant number of people are. Not even intentionally, and they themselves wouldn't say they were, but we've always been more of a rationalizing animal than a rational animal.
True. This explains SRS.
Low hanging fruit, but yeah. This is why you can use intent to contextualize actions, but you still have to be responsible for the consequences of the actions you took. Like dice, we throw ourselves into life.
Someone did observe that the window appeared to be already somewhat cracked, though, so it may not be the case that he full on Hulked out on her.
> few places
A lot of places here in the states require that you retreat long before being allowed to retaliate. Some factors like if you own the residence/business, ability to flee, pursuit, and a few others can play into it though.
> disproportionate force
I don't know of anywhere that says you CAN use disproportionate force. Usually disproportionate force is spelled out more like you can't bring a gun to a fist fight sort of thing unless you fear for your life, not that he jolly green giant in this case couldn't defend himself(assuming of course he wasn't required to retreat).
Honestly though, force is always going to be disproportionate when one party is a giant man and the other is a tiny girl. Does this mean the man-giant can't do anything if he's being attacked?
Any member of the assaulting party could have been carry weapons. Did you not hear the cries to pepper spray the guy in green?
Pretty sure pepper spray's restricted in the UK.
> restricted
sure is, but since it can be purchased for £6.70 on amazon, I THINK it's safe to assume that some people might have some. Same with carrying knives.
He seemed to be using proportionate force until she went through the window, although that could be more from her losing her balance and falling into it than the force of him punching her. He didn't straight out deck her outright or she would've been out at the start.
He pushed her and she stepped back - the window was already significant damaged, which is the only reason it broke.
You're still responsible for what happens, in most places I've heard about.
I'm not running unless someone has a gun, a knife, friend to help beat my ass, or a random large blunt object.
Otherwise I'm standing my ground.
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/A8qDgQ2207s/maxresdefault.jpg