/r/videos has turned into an all out brawl between feminists and mensrighters over the video of a fight between a man and woman. Drama everywhere, sort by controversial. The up/down count on the linked comment is intense. (np.reddit.com)
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249 comments submitted at 00:37:32 on Nov 4, 2013 by Erra0
I want to preface this by saying she is absolutely the aggressor and in the wrong but I don't believe it's fair to think any reasonable person would respond as that man did. He could have acted out of impulse but it looks like he knew what he was doing and seemed to not regret it at all (I would say calm but I don't want to draw too many conclusions from a video just over a minute long). I think a reasonable person would leave the situation, not retaliate, not escalate it and perhaps find another route of teaching her a lesson about not hitting people, because assault it wrong, period.
EDIT: Instead of just downvoting me, please let me know why I'm wrong.
EDIT2: Oh people did, sorry.
> I think a reasonable person would leave the situation, not retaliate, not esculate it and perhaps find another route of teaching her a lesson about not hitting people, because assault it wrong, period.
"Fight or flight". You can never expect anyone to react to aggression in any particular manner.
You, or the person I was replying to used the term reasonable so so did I. I was making my point regarding reasonable people and sometimes people don't act reasonable and I believe my point stands even outside of this video.
And doesn't Fight or Flight refer to a dangerous situation? I cannot speak on his behalf, I do not know him, I do not know the context, but I can't believe he felt in danger with the woman. He knew his strength and he knew what he could do to her and he did it anyway.
I could of course be wrong about this, please let me know, I just don't believe his aggression was reasonable or needed and I do believe he knew what he was doing.
> And doesn't Fight or Flight refer to a dangerous situation?
He was being physically attract. How would this not qualify?
>I do believe he knew what he was doing.
So do I. He was reacting to a physical threat. In that split second he reacted to protect himself. He did not wait a few seconds. He did not have time to! He was being attacked and in that moment he reacted.
Most grown men have no idea of their strength or potential until it has been tested. Most humans will never be in a real fight. Male/female does not matter. I'm a wussy, most girls could beat my ass. Maybe we should emply a "Hunger Games" to test the mettle of all 7 billion of our population?
> He was being physically attract. How would this not qualify?
If I was hit by a single punch from a smaller person I wouldn't believe that to be a dangerous situation and I'm not even a very big person. If she continued I would consider that dangerous and then react but again I could be wrong and probably am and would probably just run (I was attacked by a fox once but I don't think that counts).
> So do I. He was reacting to a physical threat. In that split second he reacted to protect himself. He did not wait a few seconds. He did not have time to! He was being attacked and in that moment he reacted.
I agree. But you brought up reasonable people and I was continuing that point. I wish to now concede it in relation to this video and while I believe he acted wrongly, it may have just been instinct and that is uncontrollable.
> Most grown men have no idea of their strength or potential until it has been tested.
I agree again, but considering this guys size especially in relation to her size, he must of known he could deliver a serious blow.
> Male/female does not matter.
I would like to say that my argument would be the same if the gender's were reversed too.
> If I was hit by a single punch from a smaller person I wouldn't believe
You are not everyone.
As I said in my original post, She landed a solid right handed hook and this was after she already gave fime a solid kick to the groin. She is the one with the upper hand. She is the BADASS!
>I agree again, but considering this guys size especially in relation to her size, he must of known he could deliver a serious blow.
Have you never watched Ultimate Fighter? Size rarely matters.
> You are not everyone.
Sure- I shouldn't have made that argument, but you see my point don't you?
> She is the one with the upper hand. She is the BADASS!
She is smaller; the punch wasn't that strong, it was from a distance and thus lost a lot of its potential power; she is much smaller; the initial kick didn't seem to affect him that much, perhaps she missed; she is so much smaller.
>Have you never watched Ultimate Fighter? Size rarely matters.
Those are trained fighters and they are both strong to begin with. And if for some reason these two people were in Ultimate Fighter they wouldn't be in the same weight class (is that how UFC works?)
> She is smaller; the punch wasn't that strong, it was from a distance and thus lost a lot of its potential power; she is much smaller; the initial kick didn't seem to affect him that much, perhaps she missed; she is so much smaller.
You assume all of these people have been in fights. This might have been the first time he has ever been hit, let alone given a solid right-hook sucker punch.It's more than just sex or size when you feel threatened.
> seemed to not regret it at all
Which is further indication that he felt his actions were justified. Look if you want to kick that guy in the groin go for it. I ain't gonna come around start sobbing on reddit because he broke your nose. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Seriously. I wouldn't want the experience to be wished on anyone, but even the slightest knock can hurt. "Our ovaries are on the outside, ladies!"
Did she even hit him in the genitals though, he didn't really seem to react to it pain-wise, before or after he hit her
As someone who has experienced this, mostly unintentionally, (walking into things) Intent does not matter, safety does. I've curled up into a little ball and puked from a nut-shot. There id\s no telling how I will react to someone doing it on purpose.
I don't see your point? If he was strong enough to endure it, surely then he wouldn't react, maybe ignore it or move away if he thought she was going to act further.
>If he was strong enough to endure it
??? Pain tolerance has nothing to to with strength.
and it's really amazing what the body can do under the effects of adrenaline. If he didn't feel it then who's to say that he didn't feel it after the fight?
That's my point, if he felt his actions were justified he is wrong and he shouldn't have reacted with violence. Also no-one's sobbing on reddit, but even if she did I wouldn't have sympathy for her but I also wouldn't think she deserved it
shouldn't have? alright, I think we all agree (minus the sociopaths) on that one. However, I'm not exactly fuming about this first world problem though. There are certainly greater injustices in the world to solve before planet earth becomes a shining utopia of peace.
Well then maybe I'm longing for a world were that shouldn't be something to expect. Maybe I'm longing for a world where people don't hit other people no matter the situation (that includes him and that includes her)
EDIT: I would like to point out I was responding to a point /u/Purpledrank made before he edited his comment
That would be a world without human beings honestly. We are all hardwired to gather and protect (limited) resources. Benevolence is truly not in our nature. Narcissism surely is, and that is often what leads people to think positive things about themselves such as being "good".
I said I long for a world where people don't hit each other, with fists or with bombs. I don't think that's human nature.