Confederate flavor popcorn popping up in Pics. Grab a drink, things are getting heated. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
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106 comments submitted at 19:18:17 on Oct 29, 2013 by Ein326
Confederate flavor popcorn popping up in Pics. Grab a drink, things are getting heated. (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
135 ups - 45 downs = 90 votes
106 comments submitted at 19:18:17 on Oct 29, 2013 by Ein326
>Tariff of Abominations? Ever heard of it? I'm willing to wager not, because your only familiarity with the civil war is probably watching Glory about 10 times and apparently absorbing the outrageous abolitionist punch drunk fervor like the morons of the 19th century who had never seen a slave much like Harriet Beecher Stowe who began your mind molding with 'Uncle Tom's Cabin'.
I love how this guy is upvoted and got gold by attacking 19th century abolitionists. It's pretty clear that they were on the right side of history and without them slavery would've continued for a long time.
>90% of southern whites didn't own slaves. So you mean to tell me an entire army, one of the most effective, passionate, and loyal armies that has ever been fielded throughout history was founded to fight for an institution for which they have NO financial interest in?
Actually a third of Southern families owned slaves. That "90% of Southerners didn't own slaves" statistic counts the children and wives of slaveholders as non-slaveholding which is an asshole thing to do. A large portion of the other families rented slave labour when possible and hoped to own slaves themselves in the future. Slavery was essential to Southern culture at the time so the idea that non-slaveholders were fighting to preserve slavery isn't strange at all.
Btw, Lee's army was so passionate about the Southern cause that they captured free black people and ex-slaves who were sold into slavery.
This says 25% of southerner families owned slaves
This says 25% too
Ok, this one says 1/4th too
So it looks like the truth is in the somewhere middle of your two extremes
The percentage of slaveholding families was higher in the Confederacy as explained in my source. 30.8% to be exact, which isn't a third but which is a much more honest way to portray the people who were fighting to keep slavery.
The others also reference families
Yes, but I was talking about the people who formed the Confederacy and its armies. The total number of slaveholding families in the South was around 25% before the Civil War. In the Confederacy that percentage was slightly higher than 30%.
When looking at the enlistees in the Confederate army in 1861 however, 36% either owned slaves themselves or lived with family members who owned slaves. If you count those who would rent slaves for certain work or lived in households who rented slaves, it is clear that the vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate army in 1861 had a lot of financial reasons to fight for slavery.
This link says 6% of confederates owned slaves. And my point isn't that the south didnt have financial reasons to fight, just that these stastics seem to be made up on the spot and vary according to whatever agenda the "source" is pushing.
It is true that it's important to be critical of statistics regardless of the debate but that doesn't mean that the truth is in the middle of every conversation. When talking about the importance of slavery in the South, it is disingenuous to count the children and wives of slaveholders as non-slaveholding whites. When talking about the reasons why people were fighting in the Confederate army, it is disingenuous to say that only 6% of Confederates* were slaveholding when a far larger percentage of the enlistees owned slaves or lived in households who owned slaves.
Compare it to owning a home which is currently 67.4% for households. If I only look at the name on the deed, say that partners and children should be counted as non-homeowners, and then claim that the majority of American society doesn't care about homeownership, then that would be disingenuous. It is the same when discussing slavery in the Confederacy.
*You linked to a site which still believes in the Lost Cause. Of course they will try to downplay the importance of slavery to the South.
I can see my point is going to stay over your head, have fun not looking up.
annnnd you lose!
It's not a contest. He's ignoring the point I'm making and doing exactly what I'm saying is wrong. His stats aren't correct because they come from baised sources just like all the others. Everyone says something different, and all he's doing is repeating the same bullshit.
It's pretty pathetic if you "lose" an argument because the other person is too stupid to understand the concept.
"The South". The states where slavery was least common stayed in the Union. The percentage of the population that was slaves was a quarter higher in the Confederacy than it was in all the slave states.
Cool story bro, but I posted a link that said that 6% in the confederacy owns slaves so...yeah...
I've heard the "1/3" statistic many times before too.
Good to know? I guess?