Gonewild poster explains that she (the stripper) had sex with the groom and 6 others at a bachelor party. Askreddit finds out about it. (np.reddit.com)
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100 comments submitted at 03:40:24 on Oct 21, 2013 by cum_on_reddit
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That's enough internet for one day. Everything in that thread is unpleasant, beware all ye who enter.
Including the layout (which is, arguably, the worst). Man, I don't even know, I must be getting old, cause I just can't handle the whole thing.
Oops wrong link. I should have posted this.
>also, had it been a male stripper at a bachelorette party fucking 6 women, you would be high-fiving him instead.
Nooo... I'd be calling him a soulless home-wrecking shit-for-brains as well.
Now, that said, I find it kind of...funny (not the word I'm looking for, but close enough) that they're all now calling her fat as an insult in, of all places, GWCurvy. Hardly feel sorry for her after that, but come on.
Everything about that was really ugly, it was like the internet equivalent of a grotty pubfight where even grandmas get involved and everybody feels ashamed afterwards. I think the people calling her fat etc came through the link from askreddit; I've heard it said many times before, "there are no holds barred in a flame war."
Also, I know there are pics, but did it seem to anyone else that the story was a kind of erotic fiction, stranger things have happened I guess.
I posted my comments and went to eat dinner and watch Netflix, then came back to a crater of a comment thread.
But did they start insulting each other's grammar? A flame war just isn't a flame war until it descends into condescending corrections of proper word usage, spelling, and punctuation.
I think it's the people from AskReddit calling her fat.
That askreddit thread tonight about women going far sexually at bachelorette parties made me feel depressed and gross, and I would not high five any of the male strippers involved in those stories.
I don't understand people trying to defend homewreckers in that thread either. Just because he's a piece of shit for cheating on his fiancée doesn't mean she's not a piece of shit for sleeping with an engaged man.
she made no promises to anyone. Whether she knew or not, It's all on the guy.
Yeah she really broke that promise to, wait, who did she break a promise to? If you could let me in on the inside information, as much as id like to blame her she was getting something she wanted and getting paid for it. Be as emotional as you want, that's far more jealousy than her being some kind of home wrecker. Dude took his pants off while about to get married, got an erection and put it in a hole against the assumed promise made. I couldn't think of anyone less to blame for cheating than said hole owner.
let's make sure we only put one person at fault for this, it didn't take two to fuck or anything right. (or in this case 7?)
"Okay, sure, I gave someone in AA scotch, but I did't hold their mouth open and pour it down their throat! I just put it in a glass, set it in front of them, and topped it off a couple of times."
Alcoholism and sexual desire are identical. lol
No, they're not exactly the same. That's why it's a metaphor.
The point is that you can't knowingly contribute to someone doing something wrong and then claim you have no responsibility. Sure, the groom was a major asshole, but OP is also kind of an asshole for sleeping with an engaged person. Nobody expects her to follow this guy around and prevent him from cheating on his wife, but it's a reasonable criteria of being a decent person that she not help him do it.
I find it quite sexist to equate a man's desire for sex to an alcoholic's desire for scotch.
Let's relax with the sexism nonsense. A bachelorette cheating with some dude is equally awful.
I completely agree with you, but it is a common (and I believe unfortunate) trope that men are sex-starved beasts without any control our libidos. I don't think we're that different from women, I've seen both men and women going to extreme lengths to get some strange, and others act like eunuchs in enticing situations. It's just more stigmatized for women, as seen in this thread, where the OP is stigmatized in no small part due to having sex while being paid.
I admit, it's an imperfect analogy. The crux was that the individual in the example and the guy in OPs story were both very obviously not supposed to be drinking/fucking prostitutes.
On the other hand, if you can't stay out of an orgy with your wedding coming up, you may have a bit of a problem.
Yeah but offering scotch to an AA is a huge asshole move, while sexual shenanigans are par for the course in a bachelor party.
This is why I love this website. People will attempt to justify literally anything. Why don't we absolve the groom to be of any guilt too!
Yeah he really broke that promise to, wait, who did he break a promise to? If you could let me in on the inside information, as much as id like to blame him he was getting something he wanted and hadn't exchanged vows yet. Be as emotional as you want, that's far more jealousy than him being some kind of cheater.
Now nobody has to feel bad about being a terrible person! Hooray! That bride to be will be excited to hear it.
Also:
>If you could let me in on the inside information, as much as id like to blame her she was getting something she wanted and getting paid for it.
Is that all that's necessary for moral justification? All those heroin dealers, human traffickers and hitmen will be stoked.
I don't think anyone who has consensual sex has done anything wrong. The person having the sex that shouldn't happen is the one doing a bad thing, the person having sex who isn't owned by anyone else simply had sex.
>I don't think anyone who has consensual sex has done anything wrong.
So then the groom hasn't done anything wrong. Why did you disagree with that in the second half of your comment? Why is it wrong for him to hook up with a stripper? If we're testing these waters, you might as well explain why you're passing judgement on him but not her.
I have to disagree here. Shes doing absolutely nothing wrong. Shes not dating anyone so she has no responsibility.
TIL: I can fuck married women without shame as long as I'm single.
I'd be doing absolutely nothing wrong. Since I'm not dating anyone I'd have no responsibility. s/
Yes, yes you can.
Yeah, but it's still immoral. You're knowingly contributing to adultery.
And you're "knowingly contributing" to sweatshops when you purchase cheap goods.
It's irrelevant.
A stripper and a groom are both horny and want to fuck each other. The groom is making heavy moves, he's ready to get tucked in."
"Excuse me sir, but didn't you hire me for a WEDDING? Think of your WIFE!"
Maybe he'd say something like, "If I was thinking about my wife I would never have hired you in the first place"
Why? Unless these people are close friends and you do unethical things to tempt them what moral code would I even be breaking?
Your girlfriend wants to cheat on you and sleep with your best friend - would it not be common decency for your best friend to refuse? I feel silly explaining it because it's so damn obvious. It doesn't take a genius to realise that screwing someone else's partner is not a nice thing to do.
Changing it to best friend cause...? Lol.
Does that make it worse, somehow? It's not like the best friend made any promises, right?
Yes, but now replace best friend with a complete stranger, who has absolutely now knowledge about the other persons marriage besides the fact that they're married. They have no idea about the health of the marriage or even what type of arrangement exists. The stranger has taken no vows of fidelity. The responsibility lays solely on the adulterer. Calling people homewreckers is a way at shifting blame and rationalizing away a loved ones misdeeds.
I've never seen a good explanation or reasoning to why I should hold a high moral standard, so I personally dont. Because of that I dont see a problem being immoral, I see it as the key to happiness.
If your happiness requires participating in activities that actively harm others then you should reevaluate your life.
Well said.
It doesn't, but I won't worry about having sex with a willing participant even if shes dating someone else. If shes willing to cheat on someone with me, she will do it with someone else if I decline, so whats the gain? The other guy gets hurt anyway and I miss out on the sex. But thats a single, and a pretty bad, example of a much larger and broader look on life. I just don't worry about what is moral and what isn't and I try not to worry what other people think of me. Doesn't that sound freeing?
Because it is.
But I'm not trying to push my view on life on you. I can understand that the pressure from society to conform to its standards is pretty great, and if you're taught all your life that something is bad, you will probably think its bad. I just try to avoid that as much as possible and find out for myself what I find ok, what I don't find ok.
I completely agree, the double standard for women in that and this thread clearly demonstrates that the US is not ready for a big boy conversation about sex and the general public.
There's no double standard. If you knowingly allow someone to cheat on their partner with you, you're kind of a shitty person. Doesn't matter if you're a man or woman.
>If you knowingly allow someone to cheat on their partner
Women don't have free will. If you helicopter dick a women she's powerless to sleep with you. Men with epic wonder cocks should have to register their dong as a weapon. Also men don't have free will though too. One small wiff of a vagina and they have to have sex, that's why they can't take all the blame for their own actions.
Damn. Don't know why I always forget that.
Why is it up to a stripper to be the arbiter of morality at their workplace when their job is to be intimate with the client? Doesn't that set a really large conflict of interest especially when doing said actions can potentially net them a higher rate of pay?
This is all on the guy imo, the dun goofed.
She doesn't have to be the arbiter of justice or whatever. If she wants to take the money for fucking someone she knows is in a relationship (that is clearly quite serious) then that's up to her but it's still a shitty thing to do and a decent person wouldn't do it.
I'm having a hard time making this clear, she as a sex worker regards sex differently than he, she, we anyone else does that are just bystanders. For us to judge is a bit... close minded.
That's fine and I'm not saying that prostitution is wrong but IMO cheating on a partner or knowingly allowing someone to cheat on their partner with you is morally wrong. Doesn't matter who you are or what you do.
I assume part of it is people trying to suck up to her ala 'white knight', hoping that by defending her they'll be rewarded.
Why is the white knight accusation still a thing? I have yet to talk to a single person who ACTUALLY believes that they will get something tangible out of being nice online.
Come on, you don't believe white knighting can get you lots of delicious karma? Then again, some people don't white knight for tangible rewards. Some people white knight because of how they were raised, its engrained into their psyche. My mother raised me to treat girls like princesses and women like goddesses. For a time I was a sexist douche bag. It was my duty to shower females with compliments and let them know how wonderful and beautiful and special are. Someone had to encourage women and counter act male privilege.
Edit: The downvote button is not an I disagree button. Tell me where my reasoning is flawed?
Edit 2: Saying white knighting gets you karma gets you downvotes, white knighting in the right subs on the other hand gets you lots of upvotes... Fuck me for calling it how I see it then.
Really? I don't see why. She doesn't know the bride, she has no obligation to her, and she also has no moral responsibility for the groom's choices either.
Honestly I don't get the whole idea of hating someone who is with a cheater (unless of course they are friends with the person being cheated on). Do you think the person they are with wouldn't be a bad person if they hadn't come along? That that marriage would have been peachy? Guys are not uncontrollable slaves to our sex drives like people make us out to be, we have free will and can say no to temptation.
Ugh. Everyone involved in that thread is gross.
What kind of sick-twisted world do they live in that warrants that bullshit.
They should really watch some more Dancing Bear.
Funny someone would argue that when men are crucified for cheating far more than women are in western nations.
A man that cheats is an "asshole, destroying his beautiful wife and family".
A woman who cheats was "driven to it by her bastard husband".
There's a really easy way to avoid being crucified for cheating in the West; just don't do it.
Also I think its problematic that you're being so black and white about such a complex, culturally and historically, loaded subject.
So she isn't a stripper..she's just someone that agreed to get naked for a bunch of random guys and then fucked them.... I believe there is another word for that....
for money...
You need to remember for money, if it wasn't for the money she'd only be a slut. (And before we start, we're talking about a single woman who had sex with 7 men in a night after being asked to come strip, if that's not a definitions of a slut in your book, I really don't give a fuck)
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Well, the votes on that post don't appear to be coming from GWC. The askreddit link to the thread caused a massive dumping of downvotes on what otherwise would be forgettable NSFW comments. Love how the meta subreddits get heat for being a downvote brigade and then shit like this happens.
Definitely came from the post I responded to. The entire landscape has been ravaged and razed compared to when the link was initially posted.
EDIT: Also guess now I know where the self-righteous responses to me have been coming from. Some other sub that watches this one, maybe?
Oh that poor groom, he was completely seduced by that stripper and she banged him completely against his will!!!
I understand what she did was rather immoral (having sex with someone that's about to get married), but what he did is far worse.
http://np.reddit.com/r/gonewildcurvy/comments/1oqfx1/iheardyoufolkslikecurvesthisisdefinitely/ccw27rk
You deliberately let a groom choose on his spouse
You're delusional if you think the guy wouldn't have been downvoted to hell if he had posted that story. Reddit hates cheaters
Wasn't he like super drunk or something? Had it been the other way around I'm pretty sure people would be crying rape and shit.
THESE comments are not unusual for any of the "gonewild" subreddits yet look at the scores. /r/Askreddit a downvote brigade?
What exactly does curvy mean these days? I often see it used as a euphemism for fat.
idk, we dont mind paying soldiers to kill people. Where is the moral line for paying women to have sex? It's a job for her, it's sacred to you, some perspective would be nice.
Haven't read the thread as I'm at work, but I get the impression that people are more fussed about her sleeping with the groom than being paid for sex.
People are calling her a homewrecker because apparently she hired herself for the job and drugged and raped the men that were fucking her.
That is sarcasm, btw. This is the type of situation where your partner cheats on you, and rather than blaming your partner, you blame the person they cheated on you with.
You are correct. Skimmed through and didn't really see anyone criticising her for being paid for sex. Although there are so many downvoted comments in that thread it got a bit tedious to read.
People are weird about sex, for some reason.
We don't?
Nobody lies on the Internet.
Not certain it happened, but I feel sorry for you if you believe shit like that doesn't happen everyday. Some people cheat and some people have gangbangs. You can go to ashleymadison, craigslist or backpage and set up a gangbang or cheat tomorrow. Also, if you've got enough cash it's not impossible to get some strippers to sleep with you.
As far as gang bangs I can call up multiple husbands up right now and let them know the woman they married is more of a sexual being than they think (I'd have to break my word and/or the code of silence for normal high school and college sexual exploration).
TLDR: If you believe stuff like that never happens, I feel bad for you.
And in other news water is wet.
I think there is nothing morally permissible in the sentence "sleeping with the groom", but this is one of the worst overreactions I've ever seen. Calling her "fat", a "creature", a "whore"... I'm thinking "good on her" for getting what she wants and helping people get theirs too, modulo the fact that she fucking had sex with the groom.
Not a very popular opinion, but I never really understand why people like to blame the person who was the partner for the cheating.
She didn't have any obligation to be faithful, the groom has. I'm pretty sure she didn't force him to fuck her... it's pretty easy to say "Thanks, but no".
Even if she didn't sleep with him it wouldn't change the fact that he is the kind of person that would fuck the stripper on his bachelor party. The marriage/relationship is not suddenly ruined because of the sex-act but because he is a cheater/liar/scumbag (unless it is some kind of open relationship ofc)... which he'd be in any case.
They're protecting the precious honor of the bride from the mean stripper who seduced the innocent groom into paying her to fuck he and all his friends, yet not blaming the stripper is "white knighting".
ITT: Westerners horrified at sex outside of their cultural view.
That is kind of cunty and a a turn off but she is a stripper so I guess I'm not sure what I expected.
>I let the groom (pictured above) have one last night of fun before settling down...
Yup a true cunt.
Well she wasn't a stripper to begin with ... But she ended up stripping and having sex for money. So ...
" Now, before you go off and think "well, just a stripper that fucked her customers", I'm not a stripper. Professional job, day to day life, not someone you would expect to do any of this.
Long story short? An acquaintance was bitching at a bar that their dancer had bailed on a bachelor party the night before the party. Things were ruined. Got to drinking, a little back and forth, and he said that they were dropping 1600 bucks for someone to strip, dance, and bartend - I know I mix a mean drink, so I took him up on it."
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1ouqid/ladiesofredditwhatsthefurthestyouvegoneor/ccw09he
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Uh... yeah, in any other circumstance, a stripper getting groped against her will and then gangbanged would constitute rape, but I guess I'm glad that she was OK with it? To me it just sounds like she lost control of the situation (because they paid for it!) and then just fucked everyone at the party.
Really, it sounds like from the very start her friend had very clear intentions in mind for what was going to happen at the party. This didn't just happen somehow. Who wants to bet that there wasn't even a stripper hired before her in the first place?
it would be rape if it was against her will, but since she was okay with it it obviously wasn't against her will...i'm not really getting your stance on this.
In any circumstance where a woman is penetrated against her will, that would be rape, but because this woman was okay with it, it's just regular sex.
I didn't say it was rape. I said in any other circumstance this would have been rape.
Anyway, thanks for reading my post and doing your best to understand it.
"If you completely change the situation, it'd be a completely different situation"
I don't understand. Please continue to explain. Are you saying that if things change, then things would be different?
What the fuck
I know, right? Blew my mind. Literally. I'm in the ER right now and they're plugging the hole in my brain with duct tape.
My point is 'any other circumstances' is the circumstance where there is no consent, which is a pretty big difference.
The fact that I actually have to spell this out for you is unreal.
>Uh... yeah, in any other circumstance, a stripper getting groped against her will and then gangbanged would constitute rape
If a stripper went to a home party, started getting groped, and that initiated a gangbang, that information alone would show rape. Apparently, though, she was OK with everything, so it wasn't. I'm not claiming that it was rape. I never was.
Does this help? Would a flow chart make it easier? Just let me know.
What the fuck is the point in mentioning that?
....what is the point of mentioning it? Or do you have a rape fantasy or something such that every instance of group sex has you instantly assuming alternative universes where it is gang rape?
>do you have a rape fantasy
Stopped reading there! Thanks for the retarded commentary.
I know you're not saying it was rape, just you're making it sound like it was worse than it is because 'if everything was the same except for consent it would be rape' which is true in anything involving sex.
No, I was pointing out that it was a straight up retarded situation. Had she a shred of decency or self respect the moment she started getting groped she would have left the house immediately. You wouldn't expect a stripper getting groped to lead to a nice consensual gangbang in 100 years, but apparently this did lead to it. SNAFU, in short.
Sorry I forgot that we're on reddit and the people around here are dumb. I'll try to make things easier to understand for you next time.
I'm sorry us plebians cannot possibly match the mental prowess of one such as you.
Yes, everyone on reddit is dumb and you are the only smart person around these parts that realizes that if someone had raped her it would have been rape. Do you expect a gold star for that genius realization?
Nah, I'm pretty sure that you are all just kind of dumb. I mean, I already elaborated on what I was talking about in my post (see: not what you idiots are interpreting it was) in an easier to understand format, but apparently you're still too stupid to get it!
Next time I'll post my ideas on a picture of a mallard for you. I think that would help you guys understand better.
So what's your fucking point?
That the entire fucking thing looks like gangrape, and that fact that it wasn't is incredibly bizarre.
SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT