Red piller goes to /r/thebluepill to stir up some trouble. He, predictably, is torn apart. (np.reddit.com)
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301 comments submitted at 01:25:51 on Oct 15, 2013 by billpika
Red piller goes to /r/thebluepill to stir up some trouble. He, predictably, is torn apart. (np.reddit.com)
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308 ups - 159 downs = 149 votes
301 comments submitted at 01:25:51 on Oct 15, 2013 by billpika
Can someone ELI5 redpill/bluepill outside of the scene from the matrix?
Redpill is a subreddit where men go to learn and discuss the ways that men can live more fulfilling lives by becoming more confident and sure of themselves, and how they can become more successful with women. At least, that's what it's supposed to be like. In reality, it's where misogynists who are obsessed with how masculine they appear to other people go to circlejerk about how great it is to be an "alpha" who acts overaggressively towards everyone and how women are all evil seductresses who are constantly trying to trick men into becoming friendzoned "beta" pussies. I believe bluepill was made to mock and satire redpill
The 'Redpill' meme started on the /n/ and /pol/ boards of 4chan, where it simply meant 'to see the fuller picture than what mainstream media tells you'.
Somehow, when the word got picked up by Reddit, it became a much more specific take on 'seeing through what the assumed "feminist-controlled" popular thinking has you to believe' kind of 'Redpill'. The whole thing went down hill from there, with the sub attracting men and women alike who are attracted to the ideal of masculine sexual conquest.
In reaction, /r/TheBluePill was created, initially to (justifiably) mock /r/TheRedPill's absurd take on sexual dynamics between males and females. Like all reactionary, satire subs, however, /r/TheBluePill slowly but surely became a cancerous sub itself, with the mockery growing more and more desperate, and attracting people who are sincerely bitter about all men, regardless of their opinion on the ridiculous /r/TheRedPill 'sexual strategy' ideology.
Meanwhile, back at 4chan, the 'Red Pill' meme (where it still means 'to reveal what is beyond common teaching about object x') has become too commonplace as people are making new threads by the minutes about 'OMG REDPILL ME ON OXYGEN' and such. It also doesn't help that they've discovered how the whole 'Red Pilling' thing became so imbued with Reddit's "autistic faggotry" after discovering /r/TheRedPill and /r/TheBluePill, and so the meme is currently banned on /pol/.
lolwut?
I have literally never seen a single post on TBP that seems to be coming from someone who's bitter towards all men. In fact, when personal relationships come up on the sub, most of the women answer that they are in happy well-adjusted relationships and the ones that aren't often make it a point to mention that they aren't bitter towards men in general. One of our mods did an AMA because her fiancé became redpiller and repeatedly made a point to mention that the end of that relationship did not alienate her from all men.
There's often anger though, because when you're talking about emotionally abusive jackals, it's a natural reaction.
Next you'll tell me there's literally never a single post on MensRights that seems to be coming from someone who is bitter towards all feminists.
'Lolwut' indeed.
Feminism=/=all women so that's a false equivalence. And the entirety of the MRM's "activism" seems to consist of complaining online, so that would be unsurprising.
TBP is a satirical circlejerk. We hate terpers, that's it. I've been there for months and haven't seen a single comment claiming "all men are this or that".
How is inviting professors and organising university talks (that get crashed by student-union-backed radical feminists who pulled fire alarms) "complaining online"?
Your biased selective reading skills are showing.
Hahaha, why are you turning this into a discussion of the MRM? We agree MRA's complain about feminism a lot, that was the only point being made. I think we were actually discussing TBP so I think you might be the one selectively reading.
You're an MRA, so you're probably going to feel uncomfortable in a subreddit with such a large concentration of feminists. That doesn't mean any of us hate men though, especially since 46% of us are men based on our last survey (including me).
Hahaha, why are you dodging the question? You stated that MRM's "activism" amounts to "complaining online". I took issue with the dishonesty of that statement and refuted it. And yet you go on and accuse me of changing the subject. I think you might be the one selectively reading.
You're an SRSer, so you're probably going to feel uncomfortable in a subreddit with such a large concentration of gender egalitarians and mens' rights advocates. That doesn't mean any of us hate women though, especially since we have quite a substantial portion of women (including several of our most outspoken figureheads in the public) who champion our cause(s).
Yeah yeah, I don't care to get into a discussion of the MRM. I think it's a joke, for a myriad of reasons. I'll leave it at that.
>That doesn't mean any of us hate women though, especially since we have quite a substantial portion of women (including several of our most outspoken figureheads in the public) who champion our cause(s).
Yeah, you're right, it's not necessarily true that a community that I'm uncomfortable in as a feminist is misogynist, but if I could provide evidence that the community in question is misogynist in the form of statements made by members of the community that were highly upvoted, then maybe I would have a leg to stand on. That's something you've repeatedly failed to do, so forgive me if this discussion amuses me.
But, Brooklyn Nine-Nine is starting and it's much more amusing than you, so goodbye.
>Like all reactionary, satire subs, however, /r/TheBluePill slowly but surely became a cancerous sub itself, with the mockery growing more and more desperate, and attracting people who are sincerely bitter about all men, regardless of their opinion on the ridiculous /r/TheRedPill 'sexual strategy' ideology.
Not really, a sizeable portion of /r/TheBluePill aren't really into SRS and all that Social Justice stuff, you don't have to be a SJW to laugh at ALFERMAILS.
Given that you post to /r/ImGoingToHellForThis, /r/4chan and unironically posted a "Check your _____ privilege!" joke, I'm guessing all satire that isn't filled with ironic 'XD's' and 'le's' probably flies straight over your head (yes I'm aware of my username).
D'awww, someone is digging up my comment history! Aren't you a little adorable creep, you! :D
Edit: >implying /r/TheBluePill isn't into SRS when the overwhelming posters there are SRSers.
Wow, you mean to tell me that a subreddit designed to laugh at misogynists has a largely feminist population?
I was modded on TBP a few months ago. My seventy or so other mods all know I am not a part of SRS, and that I am not pleased with many of SRS's actions. If TBP were SRS I would never have been modded.
Wow, you mean to tell me that SRSers are feminists?
Not really digging up when all I have to do is click on your username. Didn't take any longer than 10 seconds. Just a side note, adding emoticons to try and rile people up really doesn't have that big of an effect, more often than not it just shows you up for being frustrated.
As for your screenshot, I'm glad I'm not invested in the drama of this site enough to start tagging people because they post somewhere I don't like. Seems a bit McCarthy-esque if you ask me.
Finally, don't >imply things on Reddit, it's a little bit cringey.
\>typing all that response
\>implying you're not frustrated
;D
What do the numbers on your tags represent?
What? No. Redpill and blue pill have nothing to do with 4chan or reddit.
This is pretty much it. I'm suscribed to BP, but i'm probably unsubbing soon.
Honestly, TBP is just as prone to strawmanning and logical fallacies.
It's like a less horrible SRS. I rarely read a summary of a thread there that is a fair representation of the TRP I've it links to.
> It's like a less horrible SRS
A lot of moderators in TBP are SRSers.
Not sure what that implies, but there it is.
I'd like to know this as well. I always thought they were just parodies of the Matrix movie but apparently people actually take this stuff seriously?
It basically goes like this:
TRP: women are stupid and have no clue, thus we should harass and belittle them because they deserve it
TBP: TRPers are stupid and have no clue, thus we should harass and belittle them because they deserve it
Pick a side! (Or don't, I don't care.)
Note that this account may seem like they're both equally filled with douches, but TRP is downright dangerous, advocating rape and emotional abuse at every corner, while TBP is just SRS light.
I personally count TRP as an interesting sociological phenomenon, similar to /r/WhiteRights, /r/conspiracy, /r/ShitRedditSays, /r/politics, /r/atheism and the parts of the tumblrverse concerned with social justice. Interestingly, there's usually a very high rate of crossover between these communities. They're mostly hatejerks where you get to blame some other group for all your woes, real and imaginary.
I agree with you, except for /r/politics and /r/atheism which are legitimate subreddits with actual discussion.
Can't tell if serious or not.
Politics and atheism are literally the two most biased and circlejerky subreddits on this website.
I know it's said a lot, but they honeslty aren't hugboxes. You can generally say what you want. Politics and religion are things people get passionate about, yes, but they still want to talk about it.
/r/atheism caters to a lot of people that have had a seriously fucked up childhood largely due to religion, and now realize that they can free themselves of it. For this I support it.
And you can't honestly say they're more "circlejerky" than /r/shitredditsays
Are you joking right now?
I'm conservative. To this day my posts on there are the most downvoted I've ever had. Because I stated my opinion about shit. It wasn't even important shit either. /r/politics HATES anything that disagrees with their opinion. EDIT: Lets not forget they love saying that Republicans should be murdered or assassinated because "they're terrorists."
And /r/atheism made /r/circlejerk admit defeat.
Politics and atheism are both shitholes. They're the types of subreddits that drive people away from this website.
I don't like how reddit hides downvoted comments, it really sucks. I can concede on /r/politics, you're right, it is a shithole. I suppose I still consider it at face value as a "legit" subreddit. I don't go there too often for the same reason you do (although I'm not conservative, I actually like discussion).
I stand by /r/atheism because I've been there more, was religious myself, and know a decent bit about atheism.
You keep on keepin' on with that positive attitude about /r/atheism.
(EDIT: God damn it, now "keep" doesn't even seem like a real word anymore...)
Not even r/circlejerk is as circle jerky as politics and atheism. The trash content there is why they're no longer defaults.
Are you surprised that /r/atheism is pro-atheism? I mean really...
Pro-atheism is a bit subtle of a description for them. Usually on average the sub is more like a overzealous teenage "dae religion is stupid" circlejerk. The mods are trying to change it but to pretend that sub isn't one of the most circlejerking, biased, and immature subreddits on reddit is being dishonest.
Since it hinges on sexuality I'll try and eli15.
RP has a crush on the prettiest girl in class. But she only seems to be interested in a "bad boy" who couldn't care less about her, and cheats on her with other pretty girls. For some reason, it only makes her want him more. RP says "Wow, she's not as smart as I thought she was. She's not as special as I thought she was. But I still like pretty girls... Maybe I should act more like that guy."
BP is like "You'll never be that guy! Girls don't even like that guy!"