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28 ups - 24 downs = 4 votes

25 comments submitted at 21:22:36 on Feb 13, 2013 by Will-Do

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  • DocTomoe
  • -8 Points
  • 08:31:34, 15 February

The attitude and self-victimization expressed in this site is one of the main reason I keep my IT project team male-only and not introduce potential troublemakers.

We are here to work on a project, not to discuss your self-percieved gender issues.

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  • never-enough-hops
  • 9 Points
  • 17:57:52, 15 February

> The attitude and self-victimization expressed in this site is one of the main reason I keep my IT project team male-only and not introduce potential troublemakers.

Hey guess what... that's illegal (at least in the US).

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  • DocTomoe
  • -4 Points
  • 19:17:55, 15 February

Hey, guess what, I don't care. I will claim the chemistry did not match and that I think the male applicant with exactly the same qualifications was a better fit for the team in the interview.

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  • DevestatingAttack
  • 1 Points
  • 02:15:03, 17 February

Not if the team is under 12 people. You can do whatever fucked up thing you want as long as you have fewer than 12 employees.

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  • Denommus
  • 13 Points
  • 04:31:38, 16 February

You know what? That's actually misogynistic.

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  • DocTomoe
  • -9 Points
  • 07:22:28, 16 February

Who sows wind will harvest storm. I do not accept "rockstar" developers and borderline schizoid ones on my team for very similar reasons. Only functional people, please.

Are there highly functional borderline schizoid, modest rockstar developers and women who do not play the gender card every other hour? Sure they are. Too bad the insane ones ruined it for them.

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  • Denommus
  • 10 Points
  • 12:29:54, 16 February

The reason there are women "playing the gender role" is exactly because of people like you, that discriminate them only for the fact of being women.

There are lots of women at my work. None of them do this, simply because they are respected for who they are as developers. There is at least one woman on each team, and this works.

You're just a bigot, trying to justificate your misoginy by blaming them instead of yourself.

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  • mordicaii
  • -4 Points
  • 19:53:17, 16 February

I don't condone the views /u/DocTomoe completely, but he has a point. It is clear that he has been bitten in the past and is taken actions to prevent it.

Here's a hypothetical situation. You run a company, in the past, you have hired a number people who smoke (or some other defining factor), and they have consistently shown poorer results or caused problems, regardless of their other qualifications. It is safe to say that, given their track record as a group, smokers do not fit well within the dynamic of the team you run. That isn't to say that all smokers are like that, but you've dealt with enough to not want to take that chance again. When a particular group of people consistently shows that they cannot fit in with the dynamic of the team, it is prudent to not hire people of that group, regardless of how qualified they may be, they belong to a group that has caused you problems in the past.

On the topic of gender, though, I've worked with a number of women. I do in-house tech support and programming. I've had a number of female colleagues, many of them fit well within the dynamic of the team and don't cause problems, they don't try to use their femininity as an advantage. That being said, if we were to find that the majority of the women hired were of the "radical feminist, castrate all men, grrl power" variety, and they caused us problems, we would try to avoid hiring women who meet that criteria.

I think /u/DocTomoe has taken a little too much of a scorched earth policy on the problem. If he want sto avoid the "grrl power" variety of people, he would do well to narrow they criteria a bit beyond just their gender, there are excellent female programmers, I work with a number of them.

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  • never-enough-hops
  • 8 Points
  • 07:12:02, 17 February

If you are discriminating against someone based upon their race, gender, sexual orientation or creed then what you are advocating is illegal. And those laws exist because people get stuck thinking that "girls cause trouble" or "blacks don't work very hard" and off a sudden people from those groups have a hard time getting a job. Those laws exist because damaging stereotypes exist.

If you're not hiring women or gays or Mexicans or whites or whatever group of people then your sexist/racist/homophobic actions are morally reprehensible and you deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law.

This is all assuming US hiring practices

If you want to avoid trouble makers in your workplace how about you do a better job during your hiring process?

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  • DocTomoe
  • -9 Points
  • 12:38:00, 16 February

You are confused about cause and effect. I was open-minded and welcomed people of all kinds into my teams when I started out PM'ing. Unfortunately, I got a few bad apples, and projects failed because of them.

Because I can't take chances, I eliminate the problem of determining if someone is a good worker or a troublemaker by screening out potential troublemakers based on prior experience.

Being a woman unfortunately triggers memories about radical feminists trying to poisoning the well, and making the team fail. So: No women on my teams. That does not make me misgonyst, but anti-radical-feminists.

I don't hire from colleges because college kids in my experience lack the discipline of working on projects they don't find "cool" - and bookkeeping applications usually aren't. Does that make me a mis-collegist?

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  • gregclouds
  • 7 Points
  • 07:19:16, 17 February

You are such a misogynist. It's actually really hilarious how you're trying to rationalize it. Pure scum right here.

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  • DocTomoe
  • -5 Points
  • 07:51:30, 17 February

Yah, I guess so. Some white knight on the Internet with an eight-grade vocabulary, using mostly insults, said so.

Trust me, one day, you will understand points of view that differ from yours, and you will understand that dogmatic bullshit will get you nowhere in life. On that day, you will become a free person.

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  • gregclouds
  • 5 Points
  • 08:12:31, 17 February

You're point view is misogyny. It's not respectable. All you deserve is mockery and that's what you're going to get from me.

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  • DocTomoe
  • -2 Points
  • 08:20:20, 17 February

> You're point view is misogyny

Wrong.

> It's not respectable.

... in your social circles. Try getting out of college and into a job.

> All you deserve is mockery and that's what you're going to get from me.

More a statement about your mental powress than about the social acceptability of my hiring practices.

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  • gregclouds
  • 2 Points
  • 08:27:53, 17 February

Wow you're hopeless. I'm going to be laughing about this the rest of the night. Have fun being a misogynist piece of shit. Oh and please inform every woman in your life about your hiring practices. I'm sure your mother would be proud.

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  • never-enough-hops
  • 6 Points
  • 07:21:25, 17 February

> Being a woman unfortunately triggers memories about radical feminists trying to poisoning the well, and making the team fail. So: No women on my teams. That does not make me misgonyst, but anti-radical-feminists.

No, it makes you a sexist. You can sugar coat it up all you want but at the end of the day that's all you are. And a both barrel middle finger salute to you for it. Christ... if I had a project manager who openly talked like this on my team I'd be gladly explaining to anyone who'd listen why I was on my way out the door.

Want to talk about poisoning the well? Closed minded asshats like you are at the top of the list. If you can't screen your applicants properly then that's your failure as a hiring manager. White 30 year olds can be just as much of a fuck up.

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  • DocTomoe
  • -5 Points
  • 07:45:05, 17 February

So, the only argument you have is your ability to insult me.

Can white 30 year olds be ruckus? Sure they can, and I had my fair share. Though from experience, the statistical probability is far smaller.

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  • never-enough-hops
  • 3 Points
  • 08:00:07, 17 February

Already outlined my point in a couple posts. Primarily that what you're doing is illegal and unfair. If you want to ignore those arguments then that's on you. But I'm all done arguing with you on this. If there were any justice in the world you'd get caught doing this and get canned for it.

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  • electricityandghosts
  • 3 Points
  • 08:21:53, 17 February

Suddenly I understand why my female friends say they will never date a programmer.