Sandy Hook is getting demolished, /r/Connecticut is mad... (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
171 ups - 46 downs = 125 votes
72 comments submitted at 01:01:48 on Oct 7, 2013 by Capitan_Amazing
Sandy Hook is getting demolished, /r/Connecticut is mad... (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
171 ups - 46 downs = 125 votes
72 comments submitted at 01:01:48 on Oct 7, 2013 by Capitan_Amazing
I went to school next to Columbine after the shooting happened. They boarded off the library where most of the people were killed. As illogical as it may seem to them - it's kind of asking a lot for children to try to learn in a place where you know a few dozen fellow students were gunned down in cold blood.
I think people underestimate the impact those shootings have on the neighborhoods. I knew people who simply couldn't handle going to that school anymore and tried to transfer out.
As a teacher I can't imagine moving into and working in a room where I knew something so dreadful had happened. I doubt many of the people commenting would quickly buy a house if an entire family had been murdered there or something, and when you spend 7 hours a day (9 or 10 if you're the teacher) in a place where you're supposed to create a warm environment where the children can feel safe...it seems like a lot. Even if a new class of kids moved through that wasn't there for the shootings they would still know about it, whether from memorials and plaques, older siblings, general lore (which I'm sure kids would add to).
I still think it's a bit excessive to completely raze the school and rebuild, but I do understand why.
I would buy a murder house in a heartbeat and use that fact as a price advantage. My dad was murdered by his girlfriend where she then later commited suicide before cops busted in. I had no problems selling that house.
As somebody who currently lives in a house where the previous owner popped himself in the master bedroom three days before we were supposed to move in - it's great!
$560k assessment from the bank pre-suicide, $340k assessment after. Winning.
Seriously? Aren't most "haunted" houses (or really any place that has been the site of a murder) really hard to sell? Did your buyers actually consider that a positive?
My guess is that murders and other weird happenings lower the property value of the building.
Lower price means easier to sell.
It sounded to me like he was saying there was something positive about a "murder house" (especially when he says he "had no problems selling that house" when most people would imagine it would be very difficult to sell because most people probably don't want to live in one).
Yeah but you'd find that people are always looking for things like houses they just can't afford them.
Now all of the sudden this great big house gets put on the market for the price of a single bath and two bedroom house. But there's a catch, someone was murdered there...
Who cares honey? We don't have to tell the kids! Think of all that extra space! We can finally have that library you've always dreamed of!
Aren't there actually laws requiring you to disclose if a house is haunted?
How do you prove something is haunted? You can't legislate that.
Which is why it is weird. I recall some people even getting their money back from a sale when they found out the realtor didn't tell them off a known haunting.
Hahahaha what?
You're thinking of good old Stambovsky v. Ackley. Multiple references to Ghostbusters in the opinion.
> The ghosts were reported to have told them that it wasn't as much fun haunting the house without Helen.
Law. Interesting business.
Yeah I was a little surprised by the outrage. I can't imagine how some little kids would torture their classmates with gruesome ghost stories or something. They could have re-appropriated the building, though. Seems a bit much to demolish it.
Yeah, I run a farm out of an old elementary school, and I plan on turning it into an apartment complex if I ever have to sell it. These things aren't well built, but they can easily be re-purposed.
That sounds cool. Do you have any pictures?
> it's kind of asking a lot for children to try to learn in a place where you know a few dozen fellow students were gunned down in cold blood.
Wait 4 years.
New crowd of students doesn't know any of the kids that died and isn't very emotionally effected by it.
Continue on with life.
You misread. It's not that they personally knew the victims. It's that they knew that in there fellow students were killed.
Because knowing all those kids died there won't matter anything.
But emotions are for weak non-spergers, not for redditors.
I was just about to submit this same Sandy Hook drama that I found in /r/news but I'll just leave the thread here for people to comb through. The thread has less than 500 comments so it's easy for everyone to comb through and the drama is easy to spot if you're interested.
http://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1nuth9/thevotesareinsandyhookelementarywillbe/?limit=500
My assessment of the situation is that the school is old and could have used restructuring anyway so tearing down the school and building a new one isn't the worst thing that the school district could do.
That top comment is so grossly ignorant I want to cry.
You should turn that into a "np" link just to be safe.
Np maybe the accepted thing to do but it is rather worthless considering all the mobile clients that blatantly ignore it.
Demolishing the scene of a massacre is a strange thing to get offended about.
Was Columbine demolished? What about Virginia Tech? Should we tear down everything building just because something bad happened in there? Why not just tear down the offices and classrooms that were targeted and renovate it into a storage room or something? People didn't destroy all of Columbine, only the library, which was renovated into a memorial, and they ended up rebuilding the library some place else. Why not do that? But no, we have to waste 50 million bucks to demolish a perfectly good school just so we can build a new one. I suppose if someone else gets killed in that school it'll get demolished as well.
Edit: Wow, you people are dum-- uhh, I mean THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!! Sorry for breaking the circlejerk.
I go to JMU in Virginia. It's worth noting that Vtech is a HUGE school of mature students. Not a small school of young children. There's a big difference there when it comes to how people cope with events associated with areas or institutions. Somehow, Sandy Hook is much more disturbing.
There would be a much bigger impact for mature students than little kids. For one, kids don't have the mental capacity to understand or feel bad about these kinds of things. Sure, the kids know that a lot of people died, but that's all they really know and understand because they just see things from a face value. Hell, when 9/11 happened, all I really knew was that "some bad men crashed a plane into some buildings and the building is gone now". But I didn't really understand what happened. I never considered the terrible effect of what 3000 killed would have on their families and loved ones. I never considered the fact that people chose to fall of their deaths rather than die of suffocation or fire (which is quite shocking when you think about it). I never thought about the sad final phone calls that were made or all the grief that people went through. Why? Because I was too young to see things deeper than at face value. What makes you think these kids will be any different?
Sandy Hook is just a K-4 school for fuck's sake. They don't live, pray there, or sleep there. They're only there for 6 hours a day maximum, and within only 5 years all the kids will be out of there anyway. On top of that, if they converted the affected rooms into storage rooms or something they wouldn't even have to go in. Finally, they don't even have the capacity to understand what really happened. So why is it such a big deal?
They're not babies, a nine year old is old enough to know right from wrong and understand what death means. You could probably make an argument for not demolishing too but it's obvious why they're doing it.
Yeah. You're way too upset about this. Bunch of little kids were executed, let them grieve in the way they want.
>Bunch of little kids were executed, let them grieve in the way they want.
hurr durr but [think about the children!!!!11] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo) the children, people!!
They can grieve in whatever way they want, but there are some ways of grieving that are more stupid than others. Building a memorial and moving on is a good way. Destroying an entire perfectly fine school and wasting 50 million bucks is a bad way. Wait, I forgot, everything you do becomes valid once the children are involved, even though it's completely unnecessary and waste of money, right?
Its easy to judge people's emotional reactions from afar without direct contact to the event.
Sandy Hook news always makes me sad. Not because of what they are doing, plan on doing, or are suggesting be done, but because I can't get over the fact that those children were mercilessly shot dead.
/r/conspiracy is probably having a field day with this.
Of course, the only explanation is to destroy the last bit of evidence
Criticizing people for not properly logic-ing their way through a pretty significant tragedy is such a stereotypically reddit thing to do.
I was pretty appalled by the lack of empathy for the people of Newton. The school is pretty much an enormous monument to an entire community's suffering and our failure to keep guns out of the hands of people who would do things like that.
But remember, reddit is full of people that really, really like guns. The only thing that Newton stands for, for them, is the government's really successful (really successful) campaign against gun owners.
Shit sucks but life needs to continue even after horrible events. Sure steps can be taken to lessen the grievance but to dosh out 50mil is pretty much overkill.
Give it few years and only people with direct connectons to the shootings will remember.
I think you're also overlooking the fact that many pro gun people are conservatives, who oppose large amounts of government spending.
Dropping $50 million on a K-4 school in a rich area when there's other parts of the state that could use the money more isn't going to fly with some folks.
I don't think that's unreasonable.
At least you've found a way to feel superior to them, and that's what really matters, right?
How does this add at all to the discussion here...?
I think Waterloo is making a very valid criticism. It is really easy to criticize how people deal with grief from afar, and robot logic opinions get a lot of upvotes on this site. This is a community ravaged by a tragedy, and Waterloo is expressing some very understandable frustration.
Your comment is not really contributing much of anything here.
I don't see Waterloo's comment as contributing much, just another part of the anti-reddit circlejerk. "hurp reddit is full of social morons look at how uncaring and souless they are durp".
Well, they aren't doing much to distance themselves from that stereotype, are they?
Isn't that from circlebroke? Regardless, your attempt at meta-smugness has been duly noted.
But to answer your question, yes I do feel superior to people exhibiting the behavior I described, but no, that doesn't really matter much at all.
From xkcd actually
Forgot the link
Right, thanks! I think it was posted as the subreddit picture for a while and that's why I associate the two.
How redditors deal with tragedy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAOhBBEQwE8&feature=youtubegdataplayer
Makes sense. I'd never want to send my kids to a place where a shooting happened.
Hey SubredditDrama, this comment section is also filled with a lot of drama.
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I actually find this extremely intriguing more than I do unnecessarily full of drama.
Missing out on a chance for the best haunted house experience in america, right there.
I'd be angry too if $50 million of state money was being needlessly spent.
Amazing how quickly folks worry about how a community spends a few bucks over... what happened there.
The problem is it's state money, not local money. There are far more effective things to spend $50M on, like a new school for an overcrowded district that needs it, not for an outrageously filthy rich little town as a luxury.
> There are far more effective things to spend $50M on, like a new school for an overcrowded district that needs it
Except that isn't all that is at issue is it?
50 million
Their call.
But your entire premise was "it's only a few bucks, compared to what happened" therefore his response of "50 million" is a very appropriate rebuttal.
You then return with "Their call", which is completely changing the subject to "Well, what does it matter? It's their decision anyway?". Sorry to be so pedantic, but I feel it's important that you realize why you received a couple of downvotes.
This whole "Well he countered my argument entirely, time to change the argument" attitude is ridiculously frustrating.
Not at all, its their call on how much to spend.
50 mil compared to what happened to their community. Their call.
>but I feel it's important that you realize why you received a couple of downvotes.
Your and my votes aside most people vote for and against what they agree or don't agree with on reddit. Don't kid yourself.
It is the way things are, but not the way things should be (according to the rules) nor the way I wish them. I usually ignore it the same as most, but I have had a little too much to drink tonight and have been engaged in more structured dialogue all day so I can't seem to turn that part of my brain off. Sorry to make you the target of the outburst.
$2 million per person killed. Not worth it. Especially considering that it fixes nothing. Make it a museum and charge for entry.
It's the communities call what the price is. $2 mil is squat in the grand scheme of things.
Can't buy books, iPads, or raise teachers salaries for that price.
He can't have more than one point? Granted he should have acknowledged his comment. But there are multiple points to every issue.
He absolutely can, and once again I'm being entirely too strict here, but my issue was mostly in how he didn't concede that point that he no longer thought he could defend before moving on to another point.
It smacks of a sort of discussion that is tantamount to throwing excuses at a wall until one of them sticks and is a rather frustrating part of internet discourse.
I think this is an incredibly serious and complex topic that absolutely warrants several points, but no worthwhile discussion on it will take place in this format.
Edit: I read your comment a little fast in my rush to bed, we've said almost exactly the same thing so I suppose my reply wasn't really necessary. Your assessment is pretty much spot on.
All good man.
Is that 50 million coming entirely from CT taxpayers? Or is the federal government chipping in?
No idea, most school funding is at least partly local and partly state (usually lump sums for x programs, and per student money) in every state that i've run into.
I looked it up and the $50 million is all state funds, not local.
I'm not from CT, but I would be a little upset if my tax dollars were building a new school in a rather rich part of the state. I'm sure there are areas that.could've used that money a lot more.