Is porn the ultimate tool of the patriarchy or a way for women to empower themselves? Are all jobs sexist? Do females have any agency at all? /r/SRSDiscussion discusses. (np.reddit.com)
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358 comments submitted at 18:45:46 on Feb 24, 2014 by ValedictorianBaller
That's not too hard to believe if you live in a Deterministic universe.
The problem being demonstrating that you do, in fact, live in such a universe. Not just that such a universe is theoretically possible. Until such a time at which a deterministic universe has been proven to exist, there is little value in entertaining the idea past a college philosophy course.
There's two different meanings of "determinism" here. The issue isn't whether the universe is random or predictable, that's pretty much (as far as I know) unresolvable and irrelevant to the question of whether or not we have free will.
Dude.....
> There's two different meanings of "determinism" here.
(emphasis mine)
Erm... no. There aren't.... if you disagree, show me the quotes that lead you to believe two different definitions are being discussed here. They aren't.
> The issue isn't whether the universe is random or predictable
You're right. The issue was someone said:
> That's not too hard to believe if you live in a Deterministic universe.
To which I replied:
> The problem being demonstrating that you do, in fact, live in such a universe.
Thus, the issue of "random or predictable" (however you want to apply that to determinism - which I am independently curious about by the way) never surfaced at all.
> that's pretty much (as far as I know) unresolvable and irrelevant to the question of whether or not we have free will.
Well....... yes and no. Yes. The question has not definite solution that anyone is aware of right now (which actually isn't to say it is unresolvable). No, this has every bearing on free will. Determinism is intrinsically related to the concept of free will. The two cannot be divorced.
EDIT I wrote "is is" instead of "it is".
Ok, I didn't read the parent comment carefully enough, you're right. The rest of the thread has been talking about the other concept of determinism so I got confused.
>Determinism is intrinsically related to the concept of free will. The two cannot be divorced.
They can be, though
No, they can't. You cannot discuss determinism philosophically without also discussing free will. You knew exactly what I meant by that. Stop trying to weasel.
I wasn't. There are ways to reconcile a physically deterministic universe with the concept of free will (people have held and defended this position).
If you mean that a discussion about physical determinism will eventually lead to a discussion of free will, that may often be the case but it's not necessarily true. The two can be divorced. If someone went to a graduate-level philosophy class about physical determinism, and raised their hand in the middle of lecture and asked "Does this mean we don't have free will?", that would be considered derailment, not a germane question.
I am not going to get into this with you. You can either assume both of us know what we're talking about, or assume you're speaking to a layman. Not both in one conversation. Either way, I don't really care. Philosophical discussion on reddit inevitably ends in semantic minutiae, as opposed to merit.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. As I explained in my previous post, your point was either semantically or substantively wrong, I don't know which because you refuse to clarify. I'm not sure you had a point to begin with. Have a nice day.
Your inability to parse my clarification doesn't make it not clarification. Either way, as I said, you're hung up on the minutiae one gets hung up on when attempting to speak to the audience instead of the speaker.
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