Mild drama erupts in /r/anarcho-capitalism when /u/argoff claims that "the social-democratic governments of Northern Europe and Cristina Kirchner are worse [than Pinochet], killing people by starving them of freedom, opportunity, or income" (np.reddit.com)
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52 comments submitted at 21:40:13 on Sep 25, 2013 by Learningpro
Hey Dude, you have two choices now;
Either we can beat you up, throw you into prison, torture and eventually execute you and then throw your body out of a plane over the rain forest.
Or you can be subjected to an nominal income tax of 43 % with full healthcare and pensions benefits and not really literally be slowly starved to death by the lack of freedom caused by the mild economic regulation we put on the way you can conduct business like not being able to build a fireworks factory out of leftover matchboxes.
I know dude, it's a hard choice.
Libertarians and ancaps both think about equality of access without nary a notion of equality of opportunity.
Sort of hard to take advantage of the free market and get your ideas out there when the nominal wage for a computer programmer in ancapistan is a nickel an hour and a can of MT Dew adulterated with modafinil and methamphetamine.
A whole nickel an hour?
Slow down there Stalin.
/r/libertyjerk
taxes = literally slavery
amirite??
Ok, so I'll bite.
Or not. The premise is so preposterous that I don't even know where to begin. What exactly would be stopping me from being self employed? If socialism is 'the workers owning their means of production' then most (barring some proprietary devkits etc) programmers embody the ideal, as not only do they own them, but it's impossible for them not stop owning them, due to the means being located inside their heads.
Alternatively I can rape and murder you family. Your choice.
I'm not quite sure I follow.
Well since taxes are literally the government taking your money at the literal point of a literal gun I only see one choice there.
Literally.
"Literally this" - sirboozebum 2013
>Or you can be subjected to an nominal income tax of 43 % with full healthcare and pensions benefits and not really literally be slowly starved to death by the lack of freedom caused by the mild economic regulation we put on the way you can conduct business like not being able to build a fireworks factory out of leftover matchboxes.
That run on was very libertarian.
Please check out /r/libertyjerk and spread the word.
Anarchists that cheer a strong arm dictator who came to power by military force. Lolz.
Saying "not as bad as..." constitutes cheering? K.
Cheering Pinochet against the socialists pretty much amounts to saying rule by military force and murder is preferable to economic policies I don't like instituted by a democratic decision making system (or rule of 'populist mob' if you prefer).
Even if it was a populist mob, at least that has some semblance of legitimacy relative to outright militarism.
This is nothing new really, the governments of the US and UK both thought the same thing and supported the coup, but coming from an "anarchist" it is most impressive double-think (given anarchy derives from the ancient Greek for "without rulers" or "absence of a leader").
~~Also Allende put gays in concentration camps, but sure, it's all about "economic decisions".~~
Disregard that, got him mixed up with Che.
In the event of a tyrant
Just call it having terrible valuations.
Tell me about it. Every time I suggest Stalin paved the way for socialism in the USSR I get anarchists jumping down my throat.
>So you admit that they are better off, and why do you think that is?
THEY'RE DEAD YOU FUCKWIT. THEY'RE ALL DEAD.
Milton Friedman adored Pinochet.
That's putting it lightly.
Maggie did too. She invited him round for tea in the UK multiple times. She also invited round a terrorist who blew up school kids in Afghanistan, Abdul Haq.
But hey, at least they're not reds!
Their version of the reddit alien is hilarious, but in the interests of accuracy they should replace it with some variation on Mr Butthurt Cavedweller.
Why can't they just argue about who would win a fight between the Hulk and Wokverine like normal ten year olds?
There is nothing more I love than watching a bunch of freedom loving right wing hippies defend a US-backed ruthless dictator.
Then you just might like nothing more than /r/libertyjerk.
While I enjoy freshbrewedcoffee's dislike of libertarians, I still question a guy who hangs out with chabanais on Reddit.
I don't know where he lies necessarily, but I've more or less appropriated the sub.
The butthurt brigade is incoming.
Here come the... BRAVERY BRIGADES
I don't know about you, but I'd really prefer to be literally starving rather than starving of freedom.
DAE think Pinochet is better than Allende?
>I'd really prefer to be literally starving rather than starving of freedom.
Ironically, this is essentially the foundation of anarcho-capitalism, especially when directed toward others.
Yup. Someone starving to death----> "meh, that's unfortunate" Institute a tax to help said starving person----->"tyranny!"
;)
Come check out /r/libertyjerk and stick around maybe.
"We're not all like this" is the exact opposite of a no true Scotsman. He's openly including them in his group.
"Jesse Jackson is not the emperor of black people" is not a no true Scotsman fallacy.
I've met people who's fathers and mothers were imprisoned, tortured and killed by Pinochet's men.
I hope that /u/argoff can go fuck himself.
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>Your post is being brigaded that is why you are experiencing downvotes.
>http://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1n4sn2/milddramaeruptsinranarchocapitalism_when/
such irony. we don't even brigade
tl;dr From that thread.
Every murderous/genocidal dictator has been a statist, the killing Pinochet did was wrong, but the capitalist reforms implemented by Pinochet's rule greatly improved the Chilean economy.
For who?
What a shit novelty account
Pinochet does get a particularly bad rap. He's the left's favourite dictator, because he's one of the few that's unambiguously not one of them.
Not to defend Pinochet, by any means, but in a continent and a century filled with shitty-ass dictators he's pretty bog standard. At least he only killed his political opponents instead of killing entire groups of people.
> He's the left's favourite dictator
Riiiight. People on the left love Pinochet for the political talking points. It was so worth having all that murder.
I remember in college we all used to wear those Pinochet t-shirts.
One of the few?? Are you aware of about 4000 years of human history? It was not common to see left or progressive dictators until 1917
Well, considering the concepts of the "left" and "right" have existed for 300 years at best, and they've had shifts in definitions, trying to apply these labels to anyone living earlier seems like pretty bad history.
Fine, even just 300 years. Dictators and absolute rulers supporting the ancien regimes and old hierarchies and traditional values are far far more common than successful revolutionaries going for radical change.
If you're looking to attack bad history, you should be attacking ctav's ridiculous and ahistorical claim. There is no metric by which those sorts of rulers can be more frequently be associated with leftist tendencies than with rightist ones, even recognizing they have each gone through transformations
The vast majority of dictators in Latin American history are unambiguously not socialists. Dafuq are you reading your history?
There's no drama here. Get this rubbish out of here.
Poor you.
Are you kidding? >Please, quit the false outrage. Pinochet is mild compared to every socialist state government ever adored by the populist mob. Even compared to "free" countries, like the USA. Sure, he's a murderer. Big surprise. So is every statist. However, it's hard to feel sorry for the socialists he persecuted. They clearly didn't give a flying fuck about anybody elses freedom and property rights, then they cry like babies when the big gun of the state they want to use on every else is turned on them.re you kidding?
That's the best kind of drama! First year student at Brooklyn art school monologue drama