User who is passionate about fedoras is banned from SRSdiscussion for (allegedly) defending the "water resistant brimmed hat", finds a subreddit of a mod who (allegedly) banned him, takes the argument there (np.reddit.com)
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279 comments submitted at 17:52:21 on Nov 28, 2013 by stopscopiesme
I don't think it's good that people laugh at him but if he's going to go out dressed like that he should be ready to accept the consequences.
his skirt was awfully short, and then being drunk and at that hour in a poorly lit park? what did he expect?
Are we really turning a conversation about a hat into a metaphor for rape and victim blaming? What the fuck?
Do you see the parallels though? You have to at least acknowledge it's there. Making the connection is a joke, but it's still true that they are saying "we won't respect you personal identity choice that isn't harming anyone" and blaming him for any opprobrium he gets. Likewise, wearing sexually suggestive clothing and you should accept being harassed?
I'm not seriously saying they are morally equivalent situations, but the joke is they are formally similar issues. The point being that the absolutist stance SRS takes on various issues of 'privilege' or 'shitlordery' (the type of thing that can get you benned for concern trolling or unchecked privilege or whatever) can actually be carried too far, and we need to use judgement, empathy, pragmatism and senses of humor when dealing with other human beings, and not solely some system of ideology, like SRS likes to pretend to.
It's a joke meme used by the internet in general, not just srs. And you'll be banned from srs for anything that breaks the circle jerk so stop using it as a metric for the value of critique. I'm sorry but joke meme circle jerks perpetuated largely by the same nerdy culture that is made fun of is not the same as real life sexism.
I hope your Thanksgiving ends better than it started.
I've been at work all day so and my shift is ending so I don't know what you're talking about. I'm getting paid out the ass to correct some brogressive bullshit on reddit.
> to correct some brogressive bullshit on reddit.
Sigh. I hope you get some good rest and re-read your posts tomorrow. It's you who is coming across as being unhealthily aggressive, and you're not correcting anything. You are reactionary and going off on wild tangents.
Dude you live in srd and literally spend most of your day of what you just accused me of. I'm completely calm and will not revert my stance because of some unneeded sleep. You don't have a point anyway so why should I reconsider my stances because they're "aggressive." They only appear to be tangents because you don't agree with them. That doesn't mean they're not valid.
I bow to your considerable knowledge and experience. Carry on.
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You keep making the straw man that fedora wearing is as harrowing as sexism, without actually saying how they are not formally similar issues, as I did above. Please just answer that first. Please actually read the comment.
>it's a joke meme used by the Internet in general
That's fine. Ill note that sexism of various types is also pretty widespread. It's still hypocritical of SRS to actually circlejerk someone right out of their discussion sub because he liked fedoras. It's part of his personal identity as a fashion choice. We can't blame a wearer of sexually suggestive clothing for harassment, just like we can't blame a fedora wearer for harassment. Yet here they are blaming him for harassment he gets. That's why there a joke. That's the formal equivalence.
I don't get why people like you respond to a specific context and thread inputting statements about stuff outside the current argument. I'm not talking about the fedora user in the SRS sub I'm saying that a joke meme is not that serious of a gender issue compared to the widespread slut shaming that takes place in western culture. I'm sorry but the largest source of neckbeard/fedora comments is reddit's satire sub and other "geeky culture sites", not society at large.
If you read up a few comments, you'll see it's you that's missing the point here. It's very much the specific context that is relevant here anyway. No one is saying fedora hate is literally sexism, although some people may have been goaded into saying something like that after a long argument, where they lost the thread. And about that formal equivalence thing... Sorry I just need to emphasize that because it's not getting through. And please don't reply to this comment, reply to my first one since that's where I spent time explaining stuff.
>If you read up a few comments, you'll see it's you that's missing the point here. It's very much the specific context that is relevant here anyway.
As comments go down the thread the points change though. Arguments can be fluid.
> No one is saying fedora hate is literally sexism, although some people may have been goaded into saying something like that after a long argument, where they lost the thread
Except for two other people I'm arguing with who are saying not only is it sexism but racism.
>sexism and racism
No they aren't, not really. They made some rhetorical errors in making some statements open to willful misapprehension and then started down an off-topic path . Which is why I say again to reply to my original comment, which is where I made my thoughts clear.
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> I'm saying that a joke meme is not that serious of a gender issue compared to the widespread slut shaming that takes place in western culture.
For the record that was exactly my point too, and apparently what I got banned for. It's kinda sooo reddit that it got turned into a story about me getting upset about someone making fun of my hat.
What? They'd laugh at him for wearing that skirt.
In case you meant "why are we trivializing victim blaming?" I wondered that myself, but since SRS-kuzuluf did it I assumed it's the cool new SJW thing to do.
Being teased about a hat is nothing like being raped. IF you don't beleive me answer honestly, would you rather have someone laugh at your hat or rape you?
Edit: Fedoras are serious busniess, viva le Reddit.
I agree. Also:
Being called rude names by little kids on xbox live is nothing like being raped. Even being asked out in an elevator is nothing like being raped.
The other guy already convinced me that we should distinguish between real, big issues, and tiny issues. I'm only surprised that it's SRSers who tell me this, because usually it's SRSers who say all issues are equally important, whether it's rude kids on xbox live or men who offer coffee.
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Well to be fair, SRS is often steriotyped. And not always fairly. Cest le Reddit, if I may mangle some French.
"C'est". It's literally translated as "T'is".
...except not at all. C'est is a contraction of ce and est, basically the same as it's. Definitely not the french equivalent of 'tis
What's the difference between 'tis and it's? Don't they both mean it is?
What? All of these things are contractions of "it is", in their respective languages.
EDIT: by the way, Shakespeare often used "t'is", not "'tis":
> Osric:
> I thank your lordship, t'is very hot.
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Told you I"d mangle it.. ;)
Would it be unreasonable to expect decent people to do neither? If not, I'll go with the hat thing.
Not at all. I agree that neither would be the best possible outcome. I'm just pointing out that one is a devistating event that will literally change your life, often for the worse.
The other is being teased about your hat.
You're comparing fashion to sexual assault non ironically. You fuckin serious?
Would you prefer "if she didn't want to be called a slut, she shouldn't have worn that low cut shirt to work?"
How is wearing a low cut skirt now slutty? Am I now a man whore because my gym shorts are a little tight? For the record: no I don't think sexism and a stereotype about a fad fashion hat are even remotely the same. And the fact people keep trying to tie in a silly internet stereotype about a type of hat and gender/sexual assault seems to be a pathetic attempt to grasp straws.
But you clearly have drawn some arbitrary line where fashion choices on one side are just choices and shouldn't be considered reflective of character, and on the other side is the opposite. So, wearing a skirt doesn't warrant being called a slut, but wearing a fedora apparently warrants ridicule. So, where is that line?
Well one is criticizing someone's sexuality, and one is criticizing someone's hat, so maybe start with that.
inb4 you completely disingenuously assert that someone calling a short skirted woman a slut is just making fun of her skirt.
Well, we've already done that so there's no need.
And I was actually going to ask where the line between what can and can't be assumed and judged about a person based on their choice in clothing is. Of course I don't think the slut remark is about her skirt, although I also don't think being a slut is a bad thing. Maybe you should learn more about sex- positivity and work on your psychic skills?
It's funny how none of you seem to get what my actual point was.
I don't have a issue with people who don't like fedoras. I own one, but I don't like wear it all of the time or anything.. I have an issue with people who imply that putting on a certain hat (or style of shoes for that matter) automatically means that you are an enemy of social justice.
Nobody made fun of my hat, and that's not what I was reacting to.
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> So, wearing a skirt doesn't warrant being called a slut,
>but wearing a fedora apparently warrants ridicule. So, where is that line?
How is a gendered insult with no basis whatsoever and a joke stereotype about some people that wear fedoras even remotely the same? The latter isn't even commonly held as a broad generalization. Even most people that jerk fedora hate admit they look good with a full outfit or in certain situations, just not with cargo shorts and a t shirt. Calling someone a slut over a common piece of clothing in the workplace and some internet circle jerk about a hat in some cases of it's use are not the same.
> How is a gendered insult with no basis whatsoever and a joke stereotype about some people that wear fedoras even remotely the same?
The stereotype that some people who wear fedoras are misogynists and probably rapists, so all of them are? Like, not a gendered one at all, eh?
What makes this shit positively exquisite is how you're ready to go into the standard SJW defence of: yeah, technically it's exactly the same, but it's OK because it's directed at a privileged class... but you can't! Not since you said:
> that is made fun of because it's seen as awkward/cringe/loserish.
LOSERISH
Are losers privileged now?
Check your privilege, maybe?
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Not exactly the same, but both are in fact casting judgement on people based on how they dress. If I were to wear pink jeans, does that make me gay? Or is that on the side of "no factual basis?"
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You're far too opinionated to just be here for drama by itself. You have an agenda with your drama enjoyment.
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For what it's worth I'm in agreement with you...
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So if I wore a fedora and people made fun of me it would be my fault, but if I wore a short skirt and got made fun of, it wouldn't?
Except nobody said anything about being made fun of for wearing a short skirt, it was literally and unironcaly compared to rape.
And yes, if it's -50 below and a woman shows up in a skirt, you can bet your ass she'll be teased about it.
>it was literally and unironcaly compared to rape.
where?
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But should she be? Is it ever okay to make fun "at" somebody's expense instead of "with" them?
And I think they were trying to point out the slippery slope of telling somebody if they didn't want x, they shouldn't have done y.
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I didn't say either were good, only that one is a meme/circlejerk/joke about fashion in specific circumstances about a hat whereas the other is a baseless out of no where gendered insult about a person for their sexuality. Naunce so hard.
So, neither are good, but only one is okay?
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The only one talking about rape is you, I'm talking about victim blaming. IMHO just because he chose to wear a skirt doesn't mean people in that park are allowed to laugh at him.
Or are you "Dear muslima"-ing me??? Just because people might be raped in that park doesn't mean it should be OK to laugh at someone in that park. Every issue is equally important, just ask Becky Booze.
>The only one talking about rape is you, I'm talking about victim blaming.
Let's see about that.
You 39 minutes ago:
>his skirt was awfully short, and then being drunk and at that hour in a poorly lit park? what did he expect?
You're most certainly talking about sexual assault and that is what "victim blaming" pertains to in most cases of crime/assaults/sexual assaults. I get you think you're trying to satire some point of your version of victim blaming (which seems to be any sort of blame for anything, in this instance fashion, crime not included) and situations for which the term is actually meant to be used for but it's just coming across as very silly and ignorant. You're trivializing something that affects both genders because someone is making fun of a hat.
> situations for which the term is actually meant to be used
You mean some things are basically non-issues and we should concentrate on the real issues? That victim blaming is not meant to be used for when a little kid is rude on xbox live, or when someone asks you in an elevator if you'd like to have a coffee?
That seems like a good point, I think you convinced me we should only concentrate on real issues. But SRS may hate you for this.
You know life is a lot easier if you don't play mental gymnastics to make your crap satire seem valid. You think a hat stereotype is a real issue. Why should anyone listen to your metric of what's important.
>play mental gymnastics to make your crap satire
Oh I'm no match for SRS when it comes to this. Your problem is not the mental gymnastics itself, but that I'm not playing for your team.
>You think a hat stereotype is a real issue.
lol no i don't. not even slightly.
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