"Don't wanna start shit but Stormfront is a site about White pride, as apposed to political ideologies." /r/fallout (np.reddit.com)

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95 ups - 32 downs = 63 votes

82 comments submitted at 20:58:41 on Feb 18, 2014 by david-me

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  • Twerk4Hitler
  • -4 Points
  • 04:01:20, 19 February

I really wish the term "white pride" wasn't hijacked by racists.

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  • Yossarion
  • 7 Points
  • 04:50:18, 19 February

Why would you be proud of being white? It's not like you chose it, it was an accident of birth. That's like being proud of your hair color.

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  • MrZakalwe
  • 2 Points
  • 08:38:31, 19 February

Like gay pride, black pride, ginger pride (that is actually a thing)?

I agree with you but it's far from unique.

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  • AMBWThrowaway
  • 8 Points
  • 08:56:55, 19 February

> Like gay pride, black pride

I know how these Reddit conversations go...

Both homosexuals and Black people were heavily shamed upon by American society. Their "pride" is simply a reaction to the shaming. A chance to create a sense of identity and community, if you will.

White pride has rather a different history to it. At least from my western centric perspective.

In conclusion, gay pride and black pride don't necessarily mean "be proud because you were born gay/Black. Rather, "don't be ashamed of your race or sexuality".

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  • Yossarion
  • 2 Points
  • 10:05:01, 19 February

Thanks, I've never been able to explain that coherently.

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  • chaobreaker
  • 3 Points
  • 08:57:32, 19 February

Being proud of your Italian/German/Dutch/Irish/American/etc. cultural background is perfectly fine. It's being proud of your skin colour that's the problem.

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  • MrZakalwe
  • 1 Points
  • 09:04:43, 19 February

>Being proud of your Italian/German/Dutch/Irish/American/etc. cultural background is perfectly fine. It's being proud of your skin colour if you are white that's the problem.

FTFY

And Yes I think it's bullshit when any colour or race does it mostly because it acts as a convenient smokescreen to hide a bit of good old fashioned xenophobia.

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  • chaobreaker
  • 1 Points
  • 09:13:04, 19 February

I don't know any "colour or race" that takes pride in their skin colour the way white supremacists groups do.

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  • MrZakalwe
  • 1 Points
  • 09:16:46, 19 February

Black pride group in manchester ranting about asians; That was the last racial pride group I met in person and they were racist pricks.

Edit: I'm not saying white pride groups aren't a problem- I'm saying all racial pride groups are inherently racist constructs at this stage.

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  • chaobreaker
  • 1 Points
  • 09:33:51, 19 February

None of those black pride groups have the numbers or influence groups like Stormfront and the EDL have.

Or orchestrated the systematic genocide of millions of people.

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  • MrZakalwe
  • 1 Points
  • 09:36:49, 19 February

I'm not sure I understand- are you saying that because there are bigger groups of racist cunts being a group of racist cunts is ok?

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  • chaobreaker
  • 1 Points
  • 10:31:08, 19 February

You don't see organized racist groups in the scale of something like Stormfront for other racial groups.

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  • MrZakalwe
  • 1 Points
  • 10:41:57, 19 February

Being serious I think the same groups exist but commonly identify along racial-religious lines rather than simply racial.

(Note somebody seems have have given both of us a round of downvotes- guess discussing the nature of race hate groups angers somebody- reddit is awesome)

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  • chaobreaker
  • 1 Points
  • 11:14:02, 19 February

>I think the same groups exist but commonly identify along racial-religious lines rather than simply racial.

I'm not implying that that stuff doesn't exist. I'm just talking about how white supremacy is a thing of its own.

>(Note somebody seems have have given both of us a round of downvotes- guess discussing the nature of race hate groups angers somebody- reddit is awesome)

The post on this comment tree only have 1 downvote each as of this post.

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  • Nechaev
  • 7 Points
  • 04:39:11, 19 February

While I definitely don't think anybody should be ashamed of their race I'm not sure what there is to be proud about.

Being born into a particular family is rarely a consequence of effort and dedication.

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  • DramaChameleon
  • 3 Points
  • 07:10:40, 19 February

"white" is purely a socially constructed race and has no basis in biology, hth