"To any normal and logical person, the idea of rape within marriage is ludicrous sounding." Developing drama in /r/dataisbeautiful (np.reddit.com)
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152 comments submitted at 15:45:19 on Sep 11, 2013 by mikaelalek
Except he was right before he changed his mind. Marriage comes with huge responsibilities. You sacrifice certain aspects of your freedom in exchange for the shared freedom in other regards with your partner. A wife sacrifices her right to say no during sex, and the husband sacrifices his right to say no when he has to share his money.
The thing all of you aren't understanding is, when you get married, IT IS NO LONGER JUST ABOUT YOU. I don't always want to listen to her talk. But I do because that's my fucking job. She doesn't always want to have sex, but she does because that's her fucking job.
So no, marital rape is not a real thing. Unless you want to count financial rape and freedom rape too. If you can't accept the responsibility of your parter's needs, then don't get married. It's as simple as that.
Are you from /r/TheRedPill or something?
Yep, post history shows r/TheRedPill. Suddenly I am much less surprised by this guy's views
My disgust level, however, is holding steady.
Why does that matter? That's like asking someone if they used to like cheeseburgers. This sub paints itself as unbiased but I'm downvoted into oblivion for stating an opinion that the majority of the world subscribes to. Disgusting.
The majority of the world does believe in spousal rape. In fact, in the majority of the world spousal rape is illegal and punishable by law.
Anyway even if it wasn't, the majority opinon isn't always right. Couple of hundred years ago, torture, slavery and public stonings were completely acceptable - nowadays they're not, because we've moved beyond that. We now know those things are wrong.
The reason why rape is illegal is because it is a deep violation that leaves serious pyschological scars. Rape victims suffer trauma and rarely fully recover. That sense of violation doesn't magically vanish because you have a piece of paper that says you are married to each other.
>The majority of the world does believe in spousal rape. In fact, in the majority of the world spousal rape is illegal and punishable by law.
No it isn't. The United States didn't even outlaw it completely until a few years ago.
>Anyway even if it wasn't, the majority opinon isn't always right. Couple of hundred years ago, torture, slavery and public stonings were completely acceptable - nowadays they're not, because we've moved beyond that. We now know those things are wrong.
No, YOU'VE moved past that. Every culture is different and it's very ethnocentric of you to think that just because a handful of countries don't have these things, that they're in the right. Culture is diverse and it's very imperialistic of you to think that you have to fix everyone else's culture. If no one liked these things, social change would have happened long ago. But it hasn't. Which means that people are okay with it.
>The reason why rape is illegal is because it is a deep violation that leaves serious pyschological scars. Rape victims suffer trauma and rarely fully recover. That sense of violation doesn't magically vanish because you have a piece of paper that says you are married to each other.
That's because feminism and liberals have made it so that everyone is hypersensitive. If your culture accepts it, it's much less traumatic. You don't hear about how every woman and girl in pre renaissance era Europe was traumatized. They were used to it. It's not a big deal over here so people don't make it into one. Same reason so many Americans freak out over their coffee being cold while here, we don't freak out even if people are dying all around us
Here's a map of places where marital rape is illegal (marked in red). Notice how most of the map is red.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Maritalrapecriminalized_map.svg
Yes, those things are wrong. That's why were are Geneva Conventions and internationally acceptable codes of conduct. Which do forbide torture and slavery. Just because people accept things doesn't make it right. There are plenty of reasons why an unjust system persists. It's not because people are ok with it, it's because people are scared, have no means to protest, no power to fight. No way to affect change. Not because it's no big deal. In many places, women have no oppurtunity to educate themselves or gain material wealth. How do you expect them to protest without the means to?
Plus, we never hear about pre renaissance era Europe trauma because science and medicine wasn't as advanced. People used leeches and lobotomies and locked crazy people up in poorly built jailhouses and left them to die. They though insanity meant devil worship. Nowadays, we have ways of treating and identifying mental illnesses including PTSD and trauma. Are you actually going to point to pre renaissance era Europe as the correct way to dealing with trauma when they haven't even discovered germ theory?
Now notice the populations of the countries where it isn't illegal. You get almost 3 billion from China and India alone.
>Yes, those things are wrong. That's why were are Geneva Conventions and internationally acceptable codes of conduct. Which do forbide torture and slavery. Just because people accept things doesn't make it right. There are plenty of reasons why an unjust system persists. It's not because people are ok with it, it's because people are scared, have no means to protest, no power to fight. No way to affect change. Not because it's no big deal. In many places, women have no oppurtunity to educate themselves or gain material wealth. How do you expect them to protest without the means to?
Yeah, once again just white guys trying to tell everyone else what to do. The sheer amount of people doing these types of things suggests that people are okay with it. Just like the Japanese were okay with the rape of nanking and the nazis were okay with the holocaust and there are plenty of people who have risen up to the governments when things have gotten bad enough. There have been plenty of revolutions and overthrowing of governments throughout history. Obviously things are okay the way they are since that doesn't seem to be happening. What is right to you people isn't right for everyone else. A bunch of bleeding heart white people came in to stop Female Genital Mutilation, yet the women are the ones who told them to fuck right off. You just want to feel like you have the moral high ground but that's not your place. We have our own culture and identity. Let it develop in peace.
>Plus, we never hear about pre renaissance era Europe trauma because science and medicine wasn't as advanced. People used leeches and lobotomies and locked crazy people up in poorly built jailhouses and left them to die. Nowadays, we have ways of treating and identifying mental illnesses including PTSD and trauma. Are you actually going to point to pre renaissance era Europe as the correct way to dealing with trauma when they haven't even discovered germ theory?
We have plenty of historical evidence for stuff like that such as how the ancient Romans had PTSD from fighting barbarians and that was way before the renaissance era.
You seriously condone the Holocaust and the Rape of Nanking? Well I'm done here. Not arguing with the crazy person.
Look through history. Those two events aren't even close to the only shit that happened. Ghenghis Khan, Ivan the Impaler, Armenian Genocide, Colonialism, Rwandan Civil War, the list goes on and on and on. If most people weren't okay with it, then they never would have happened. Khan didn't go around murdering millions by himself, he had an army. He had people who supported him and that goes for every other atrocity ever recorded.
Someone could have stepped in and said: wait wait wait Ghenghis, cut this shit out yo, we ain't massacring anybody. But that didn't happen. Everyone listened to one fucking dude just like they did with Hitler because they thought he was RIGHT.
Unless you have proof that every person who has ever willingly committed an atrocity is a psychopath, then clearly the world isn't such a black and white and absolute place. Clearly most people are perfectly happy to rape pillage torture and kill with the right motivation, and since we're all praising democracy these days, I say that majority wins and most people are willing to do these types of things. People across all time periods and cultures are happy to contribute. You're in the minority.
You can't be real...
Wait, you're telling us that rape is a-okay if a priest says the magic words and we're disgusting? Oh, honey.
No, what I'm saying is that different places have different cultures and you have no right to try to "correct" them since you've never experienced them. It would be like if I went over there and tried to convert your country to an Islamic state.
Culture > basic human rights
obviously
So how about you don't correct our views on spousal rape until you suffer through it?
So it'd be okay if your wife sodomized you with a log if she derives sexual pleasure from it, since you consented when you said "I do."
Uhhh if she was the one paying the bills and working her ass off yeah, I would be. What you think that marriage is free? That you can have rights to someone else's hard earned money without putting something on the table yourself?
Ha! While we're at it, then I might as well go collect my 10 million dollars from that Nigerian Prince. I give my body so that she can eat. She gives her body so that I can fuck. I don't know about you but 20 minutes of fucking is a lot easier than 12 hours of work. If anything, I'm getting the shitty end of the deal
HUH
>20 minutes
lol
>minutes
loller
What's so funny? Twice a day. Lube up with coconut oil and you can skip the foreplay. Saves a lot of time
Sweetie you can lube up your asshole all you like, you're still the cutest little peach.
Lol. Here you have it folks. Reddit. A site where everyone claims to support gay rights, yet upvotes homophobic statements. clap clap
I'm still assuming you're straight, not just gay men like anal sex shitlord
Lol. TIL enjoyment of anal sex should be looked down upon. I'm disappointed. For calling me a word that SJWs like to use, I was hoping you would actually be familiar with their principles.
Ha!
You don't want a wife.
You want a prostitute.
Do you even know how to human?
>A wife sacrifices her right to say no during sex, and the husband sacrifices his right to say no when he has to share his money.
Aaahhahah no. Like they are not even remotely equivalent.
>She doesn't always want to have sex, but she does because that's her fucking job.
Like are you for fucking real? Like christ I hope you never marry anyone because it's beyond fucked up.
>So no, marital rape is not a real thing. Unless you want to count financial rape and freedom rape too.
Yeah, you're one of those nutters huh. Kindly please fuck off
You're talking with a crazy TRP person I have tagged. Let's watch.
>Men aren't getting their needs satisfied in India, so they gang up and do the only thing they can to satisfy their urges. It's not perfect but it certainly is understandable. I dare any of you to go on an extended dry streak while working backbreaking labour and say you wouldn't do the same
In response to gang rapes. So it's OK to gang rape because women aren't putting out. Thus his views of marriage are pretty much fucked.
Welp I should have realized.
Also his response to you christ
Yes. Women have it soooo bad in India. Women are the ones who are working a dozen hours a day in the hot sun hauling rocks.
Guess what buttercup. Feminism only makes a little sense in MODERNIZED societies. In a country where most labor is still MANUAL labor that requires strength (something that men naturally have more of), you WILL have patriarchy. So yes. Women are less capable in India because there are less jobs that actually require much intellectual capabilities.
It is natural order. If you don't pull your weight in a society, then you have to compensate it in other ways. Sorry to break your bubble but it's true.
Well, that's one way to use racism to justify rape.
So, who linked you here?
Who said anything about linking? I browse Reddit. What's so hard to believe about that
I'm just surprised that you and your fellow believers are able to use the internet at all given the total lack of anything that one could confuse with intelligence shown by most of your views.
Lol. Yes. Reddit is filled with the intellectual and moral elite. Someone with different beliefs is obviously lacking in basic intelligence.
>Someone with different beliefs is obviously lacking in basic intelligence.
Not at all, just someone with your beliefs.
What's it like knowing in advance that you're going to die a virgin? I'm really curious to hear about your experience!
Yo. Virgin shaming ain't cool
Some people are virgins because they choose to be. Some are virgins because they have bad luck or are awkward around the sex(es) they're attracted to. Some people are virgins because they're irredeemable pieces of shit who will die cold and alone with their shrivelled, angry member in a death grip.
Then just call him a irredeemable piece of shit. Virgin shaming isn't healthy to society.
Lol. How pathetic. That's about as offensive to me as calling me "gay". But hey, if it helps you sleep better at night pretending that men like me don't exist and that every rape ever is just made up. Believe what you want.
> pretending that men like me don't exist and that every rape ever is just made up.
Welp, you just admitted to being a rapist. I think that says volumes in itself.
You can think what you want. Doesn't mean you're changing anything. Lol.
>Aaahhahah no. Like they are not even remotely equivalent.
Ahahahaha because money don't real. Money don't earned. Most people can give up half their shit with no changes to quality of life whatsoever.
>Like are you for fucking real? Like christ I hope you never marry anyone because it's beyond fucked up.
Ha! If I did I'd get pre-nup. You heard it here folks. Enlightened westerner telling everyone else their cultural values are invalid. Please tell me oh great white man, should I surrender my country to you again so you can pillage it like you did a few hundred years ago?
>Yeah, you're one of those nutters huh. Kindly please fuck off
Nutter lol. Hate to break it to you friendo but this is the norm in the rest of the world. Maybe if you left your sheltered European/North American bubble, you'd realize that the other 5 billion of us are doing things differently. That means you're the crazy one.
\>implying I'm white
\>implying marital rape not being real is normal
\>top lels
>implying I'm white
Whether or not you are white yourself, your opinions clearly resonate from a western perspective. Like it or not, you're living in a society that has benefited from our oppression.
>implying marital rape not being real is normal
Maybe you should take a closer look at the laws around the world, and then look at rural areas. Look at Africa, look at the middle east, look at Asia. Clearly you are in the minority.
>top lels
lel all you want. That just means I'm right
>if
Phew. For a minute there I was worried you found a victim whom you were raping and dehumanizing in real life.
So if you had a wife who didn't feel up to it in night, you would hold her down, all the time whilst she is telling you "please don't do this" and force yourself on her.
Then afterwards you would actually feel justified?
You know your love for the person is meant to come before your need to get yourself off.