Rape drama in /r/GirlGamers (np.reddit.com)
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70 ups - 32 downs = 38 votes
200 comments submitted at 05:43:16 on Sep 9, 2013 by cheese93007
Rape drama in /r/GirlGamers (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
70 ups - 32 downs = 38 votes
200 comments submitted at 05:43:16 on Sep 9, 2013 by cheese93007
I had to focus on my self-restraint to keep from posting in the actual thread.
I went to a left-leaning university and went to the school a full-fledged supporter of feminism. After dealing with people who emphasized irrational campaigns of hatred toward those who violated rules of political correctness, I came away much more to the right, politically speaking. It took a college full of liberals to make me... less liberal.
Now, don't get me wrong. I fully support women's rights and I do not think rape is okay. But if you truly want to do something about the "rape culture" in this country, is this really what you want to be spending your energy on? The manufactured frenzy surrounding this event is an absolute waste of time, and to support this kind of action, unfortunately, detracts from the legitimacy of feminist protest.
If you truly want to help shape the ways our society responds to rape, go talk to law enforcement, legislators and volunteer for rape-victim support groups. Let the awkward comic strip artists be awkward comic strip artists. At least they make people laugh.
>After dealing with people who emphasized irrational campaigns of hatred toward those who violated rules of political correctness
Yup.
The PA guys mocked people that accused them of supporting rape and somehow the PA guys are the villains?
Check your privilege victim blamers.
You know, my problem isn't really with the original Penny Arcade strip, which I thought was a dumb joke, but not really that offensive. (Although people may disagree.)
My problem is with the dickishness with which the Penny Arcade creators responded. I didn't follow the issue closely, but I think it's one thing to say "I hear you, but I think it's within our rights to free speech to say this" and a whole other matter to respond basically like this. I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to do this, but at the same time I think I should have to right to think they're cunts based off their actions.
> I didn't follow the issue closely, but I think it's one thing to say "I hear you, but I think it's within our rights to free speech to say this" and a whole other matter to respond basically like this.
See, it's hard to have an informed opinion on an issue you aren't familiar with. If Alex Jones shows up and starts screaming at everyone around you about how you're a cannibal-nazi-bilderberger-jew who is out to rape their children, and people are taking him seriously, you would be very ill-advised to acknowledge it as serious criticism, and it's bad for society as a whole to encourage people to take such nonsense seriously. Furthermore, if you are getting harassed over it, you probably aren't going to respond as well as you potentially could.
I find it difficult to blame people for mocking ridiculous (and widely-circulated) accusations against them.
Mocking =! not shutting up about it and alienating even the people who are technically on your side and didn't think there was anything really bad about the whole dickwolves comic
No one was really taking the more extreme SJWs seriously, but I think that rape victims do deserve a modicum of respect. You might think it's ridiculous, but I feel like the circlejerk in this thread is currently "BEING ACCUSED OF SUPPORTING RAPE IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN RAPE" which is problematic, IMO. I don't think PA supports rape, I think they did a shit job of handling things.
> Mocking =! not shutting up about it
Technically it does, but I get what you mean. In that sense, though, they didn't continue things even as long as their critics did: that is to say, they did shut up about it.
> and alienating even the people who are technically on your side and didn't think there was anything really bad about the whole dickwolves comic
The only criticism I've seen on that account was that they were meaaaan (and not in some sort of morally-reprehensible way) to the people accusing them of supporting rape. If you're alienating those sorts, I'm not going to criticize you for it; I'm also not going to criticize people who call holocaust-deniers 'a bunch of deluded fuckwits who are clearly too dumb to figure out how to tie their shoes for themselves', even if some non-holocaust-deniers think that's mean.
> but I think that rape victims do deserve a modicum of respect.
Rape victims deserve a modicum of respect, certainly. People claiming the mantle of "speaking for rape victims" in the name of pushing nonsense, however, do not.
> I feel like the circlejerk in this thread is currently "BEING ACCUSED OF SUPPORTING RAPE IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN RAPE"
No one has said anything even remotely like this. What has been said is that being accused of supporting rape is literally worse than having your feelings hurt by a gross misinterpretation of a joke which no reasonable person could have made. It's also been said that being accused (loudly and repeatedly) of supporting rape is literally worse than being made fun of because you opened your dumb mouth and stupid shit spewed out.
And not only do I have no doubts that PA doesn't support rape, I think they did a perfectly fine job of dealing with a shitty situation caused by shitty people doing shitty things beyond their control.
> And not only do I have no doubts that PA doesn't support rape, I think they did a perfectly fine job of dealing with a shitty situation caused by shitty people doing shitty things beyond their control.
I agree with the first sentiment, I don't agree with the second. I thought their response was shitty in a hard to justify way. They might feel bad and their feelings might be hurt, but it doesn't excuse any of their dickishness.
Edit: Also, I was being dramatic about the "worse than rape" thing, but this happened in one of the top threads. They're basically saying since the two of them were accused of supporting rape (falsely or not) anything they do in response is justified. That's a weird standard, IMO.
If I accuse you of supporting rapists/rape, I deserve any and all derision you can muster.
Wait, what? You accuse someone of supporting rape and if they at all mock you in their response, you lose? I had no idea it worked like that now.
Using an -ism in an argument is an automatic win (racism, sexism, etc). Basically someone can bully you and call you names but if they're doing so using an -ism if you fight back then you're "privileged" and naturally bullying them since they're inherently the "victim" (or more often support the true victims who naturally remain silent).
It has worked like that for a while unfortunately. The only way to "win" against these people is literally just to ignore them until they get fed up and go away, even trying to out-victim them is an ultimately losing game.
Woah, I didn't say I agree with the people who got offended at the strip, please stop putting words in my mouth.
Please read again:
> My problem is with the dickishness with which the Penny Arcade creators responded. I didn't follow the issue closely, but I think it's one thing to say "I hear you, but I think it's within our rights to free speech to say this" and a whole other matter to respond basically like this. I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to do this, but at the same time I think I should have to right to think they're cunts based off their actions.
This was there first response to the shakesvillle blog. After the shakesville blog they got alot of random accusations of supporting rape culture and such. They were offended at the idea they support rape, so they mocked it. Their was never a need for them to say "our right to free speech" Since they were never saying anything to support rape culture. They were simply the target of accusations and they mocked those accusations.
I would like to know why they are the dicks, since all they did is make fun of the people accusing them of supporting rape.
A quick aside, in the future you might try rewording something you previously wrote if people are having trouble understanding a point you are trying to make. I don't know that copying and pasting is going to avoid the problem--if people didn't understand you the first time, they're not going to understand it the second time if you don't change anything. Placement of the same text on a different part of the page isn't going to transform the meaning.
Moving on, if you didn't follow the issue closely, you should familiarize yourself with it and then respond to the discussion. The link you posted as an analogous situation doesn't quite seem to fit, but I can see your point and I think it was not the best move for the Penny Arcade creators to act as they did. Their reaction, however, was less misguided than those attempting to call out the "rape culture" support in the original Penny Arcade comic.
What this all comes down to, seriously, is that feminists have the worst sense of humor on the god damn Earth.
...I'm saying that I didn't follow every minutia of the situation, not that I don't know anything about it. It was a caveat meant to show that I was willing to hear people out, but all I've been getting is "they were accused of supporting rape (falsely or not) and thus anything they do in response is inviolable."
> is that feminists have the worst sense of humor on the god damn Earth.
To be fair, it wasn't that funny of a joke.
Obviously, you aren't a gamer.
Would agree. I like asian girl tier video games.