a trans gal (imgur.com)

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32 comments submitted at 12:02:00 on Sep 2, 2013 by kbrooks

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  • [deleted]
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  • 18:57:28, 2 September

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  • guy3333
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  • 19:42:42, 5 September

> I actually came here to say "who let the dude on our subreddit!?" but then i saw the title. also....cuuuutttteeee....:3

If you think he's cute here's some more :-)

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  • [deleted]
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  • 23:26:23, 2 September

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  • [deleted]
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  • 02:55:21, 3 September

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 03:06:15, 3 September

Eh that's not really what I meant, but I shouldn't have added that last part of my comment. You're the only one who has a say in what you find attractive.

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  • Slyfox00
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  • 02:57:22, 3 September

>looks male

looks male

... what does that even mean? You need to chill out and stop hating.

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 03:04:14, 3 September

No.

I'm not hating, I just don't think it's any kind of helpful to anyone to coddle someone into not bothering to socially or physically transition if they identify as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth.

"Looking male" means to exhibit all or most of the characteristics associated with being male in a given society. It's shorthand for a collection of cues people look for when determining someone's gender, which, like it or not, is something that almost every human being does.

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  • Freya-Freed
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  • 10:56:03, 3 September

I know cis women that "look male". I've seen many pictures on this subreddit that, had I not had a context, I might have initially read as "male". Perhaps you've seen this picture of a sihk woman at the airport before. A (cis) woman who is for religious reasons not allow to remove her facial hair. Would anyone doubt her womanhood?

It's not any different for trans people. To assume that trans women have something to prove is a common and subtle cissexist attitude. Besides, you don't even know the reason why she doesn't shave. It could be medical reasons. Maybe she just likes having a beard?

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 11:20:33, 3 September

I've seen the picture and the ensuing discussion of the woman you've linked to, and I've known plenty of women with facial hair, albeit none as thick as the OP's. That woman still looks like a chick in every other respect.

It's not just about OP's beard, it's everything else as well.

> Would anyone doubt her womanhood?

Yes, they would, which was the entire point of the discussion which ensued following someone posting a photo of her on /r/funny.

Don't tell me about what is and is not different for trans people as if you speak for the trans populace. Attempting to educate me on the matter is so presumptive.

As unfair as it may be, trans women do "have something to prove." I have to question if OP has ever tried anything like this outside of forums, where I doubt the reception would be quite as evenly split as to whether or not this is acceptable.

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  • Slyfox00
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  • 03:18:20, 3 September

Only if you look at gender in binary. What about someone who is agendered? Do they need to pick a side and jump on it's gender stereotypes?

This post doesn't hurt me in any way. It's not offensive, in bad taste, nothing.

This should be a non issue, open image, close image, move along.

what's that old saying? If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all.

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 03:33:29, 3 September

Well yes, but then who would I project my internalized misogyny and/or transphobia onto?

I'm not saying anything about anyone jumping into stereotypes. No one fulfills all the stereotypes. I certainly don't, myself.

Agender is one thing. Calling yourself a "trans gal" is another.

Obviously I'm just a huge bitch or something for thinking that social cues matter <.< I really wasn't trying to be cruel.

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  • Slyfox00
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  • 03:38:52, 3 September

Yay, I'm very happy that no malice was intended.

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  • deathbylife
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  • 05:35:21, 3 September

fucking thank you. what the hell is wrong with people

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  • kbrooks
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  • 02:39:25, 3 September

thanks!

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  • [deleted]
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  • 22:16:35, 2 September

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  • OffensiveUser
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  • 22:38:24, 2 September

ALL HAIL PIXIEBOMB, PROTECTOR OF GENDER ROLES.

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 22:52:05, 2 September

I appreciate your fealty.

She has made absolutely no visible attempt to physically transition and she's posting to a community that is entirely based on photographs. My commentary is pertinent.

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  • OffensiveUser
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  • 23:03:02, 2 September

so... classist and ableist sentiment and holding onto rigid gender roles.

Cool.

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 23:05:56, 2 September

False. My sentiments are neither classist nor ableist.

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  • OffensiveUser
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  • 23:09:34, 2 September

You don't stop to consider that that person might not be able to afford and/or has access/the ability to have access to means needed for transition.

Classist and ableist.

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  • _IDDQD_
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  • 06:56:37, 5 September

They can't afford a razor?

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  • CapersandCheese
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  • 17:36:18, 5 September

seriously, i've spent about 20 bucks in three years to keep myself as smooth as an egg.

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 23:19:31, 2 September

I see nothing in your rationalization about disability.

With respect to medical transition: As someone who has been uninsured and very low income in the US, if it were a priority for her, she'd have found a way. OP appears to be Canadian, so she's got even less excuse.

Furthermore, and this can't be emphasized enough, she has cultivated a thick beard. There is no reason for this. There is not much that exists as a barrier to access to certain transitional measures, and this is probably the most glaring in her case. Take some fucking initiative, OP; sitting around and complaining about shit while doing nothing to actually be who you'd like to be will only be the cause of more unhappiness for you.

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  • OffensiveUser
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  • 23:28:00, 2 September

If there's no reason for the beard to be there, why is there a reason for the beard to go?

Also, why are you addressing her while we're having a discussion and she has yet to say anything about it?

And who the are you to go around telling people what requirements they should meet in order to identify as something? what, a gender god or something?

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  • PixieBomb
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  • 23:36:16, 2 September

Yes, I am a gender god.

You'll note that I haven't said anything anywhere about her not being to identify as whatever she wants. I personally, however, find it quite frustrating when certain trans people use proclaiming their identity as a substitute for transitioning. It makes me wonder if she's not just doing it for the attention or the SJW credibility, and if she's able to make other trans people question this, I have no doubt she's causing the same reaction from cis people.

I am addressing her because she is reading my comments.

There are multiple reasons for the beard to go, but, to be blunt, as a trans woman she'll be held to a different standard. She will never be able to just be a bearded lady, but as it is there is no other gender marker about her which would indicate she would even want to be considered a lady.

Frankly, I can't help but wonder if her post here was made for the sole purpose of trawling the sub for "transphobic" comments that could be reposted to SRS or one of its many spin-offs.

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  • Freya-Freed
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  • 11:09:40, 3 September

> There are multiple reasons for the beard to go, but, to be blunt, as a trans woman she'll be held to a different standard.

Here's the problem. Why would a trans woman need to prove she is a woman any more then a cis woman? Especially in a space where they are completely nonthreatening to you. I can understand you being wary if she walked into a (womens) dressing room. But here? You had no good reason to make this comment or even confront her about her looks. Or doubt her gender for that matter.

> Frankly, I can't help but wonder if her post here was made for the sole purpose of trawling the sub for "transphobic" comments that could be reposted to SRS or one of its many spin-offs.

If you already knew this was an "SRS ruse", then why did you respond to it in the first place?

> I personally, however, find it quite frustrating when certain trans people use proclaiming their identity as a substitute for transitioning.

Not every trans person has the option to transition. Besides money there is a number of social factors that come into play here. Many trans people are under threat of losing their jobs, friends, family and homes by coming out and transitioning.

If a lesbian sleeps with men because of social pressure, does that make her any less a lesbian?

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  • BardsDirge
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  • 08:05:14, 5 September

it's ablest because she is disabled. maybe she can't shave. did you consider that?

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  • kbrooks
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  • 22:40:25, 2 September

ALL HAIL PIXIEBOMB, IGNORANCE OF THE FOLLOWING FACTORS:

  • RACE
  • CLASS
  • DISABILITY
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  • 22:50:45, 2 September

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