Retro '70s-style drama as /r/WTF explores the subtleties of abortion. "pro choice is basically agreeing tat toddlers should be smashed with a sledge hammer at their mothers whim." (np.reddit.com)
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79 comments submitted at 16:04:12 on Sep 4, 2013 by utterpedant
"The only moral abortion is my abortion."
That's about the only deep thought you're going to see coming from the anti-choice movement, sorry.
That's a vast generalization that's easily disproven, but this is reddit, so hey.
Oh, ok, enlighten me as to how the anti-choice platform benefits women and society. Haven forbid I make a vast generalization about a nuanced and thoughtful social movement.
Your comment was about it being "the only deep thought". Given that there are plenty of relatively rational people who oppose abortion, I thought that equating them all to hypocrites was a bitty silly.
But maybe that's just me.
They're always super-rational about it until their 14 year old daughter gets knocked up by the quarterback. Or until their niece is raped. Or until it applies to their life in any way, shape, or form that isn't academic and ephemeral.
Of course a lot of people are like that. And I agree that it is hypocritical and wrong.
But before downvoting me to obvilion, notice that all I'm saying is that I don't agree calling pro-lifers as a whole hypocritical. Even if most of them were, I think that calling them or their position hypocritical would be wrong. Are you suggesting there are no pro-lifers at all who don't have abortions even though it inconveniences them?
OK, self-centered, short-sighted, retrogressive, inhumane, misogynistic, and unrealistic then. Hypocritical only most of the time.
Are you trolling or being serious?
Are you suggesting that the anti-choice movement is a good thing for society and women?
Whether they, as a whole, are good for society or not is completely independent of this discussion. I'm saying not all of them are idiots/hypocrites/misogynistic/inhumane/whatever regardless of whether some of them are.
>Oh, ok, enlighten me as to how the anti-choice platform benefits women and society.
Enlighten me how not allowing women to leave their newborn children in the countryside to be eaten by wolves if they so choose benefits women and society.
It's not quite that simple.
since when is abortion the same as infanticide?
you fucking people, I swear
>since when is abortion the same as infanticide?
Uh, a lot of pro-lifers would contend it is.
But if your standard is "benefitting women and society", who's to say that a little infanticide can't help achieve this goal?
It's the woman's choice.
NOT YOURS. Get it?
Not to start an argument in /r/subredditdrama, but most people who oppose abortion might argue that it shouldn't be the woman's choice but the child's choice. They might argue that given that it is the state's responsibility to protect those who cannot protect themselves (i.e. unborn children), the state should do its best to oppose abortion.
The whole argument has very little to do with women's rights in particular and hence their choices as far as I can see, though a lot of people see the debate that way.
Right. The woman's choice to leave her infant in the countryside.
I'm talking about abortion, not abandoning an infant. You think that because we support termination of unplanned pregnancies, we support infanticide? You piece of shit, get the sticks out from your ass.
>You think that because we support termination of unplanned pregnancies, we support infanticide?
No, obviously not.
I'm just saying that a lazy "herp derp it's a woman's choice" doesn't preclude infanticide, so you need to do better in trying to justify your views.
At least have the decency to say something along the lines of "it's a woman's choice because it's her womb", and then we can talk about whether it's okay for women to drink while pregnant or have third-trimester abortions or whatever.
>Uh, a lot of pro-lifers would contend it is.
Just as I could state that an apple is an orange.
Or you could state that a Fuji apple isn't an apple.
A pile of lumber isn't a chair.
I agree.
A pile of lumber isn't a chair.