Gay OP dislikes the lgb'T' tag, vents his frustration. Later calls Trans people mentally challenged, gets increasingly frustrated over being called a gay bigot. Downvoted throughout the thread! (np.reddit.com)
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35 comments submitted at 07:55:52 on Aug 31, 2013 by DaedalusMinion
Not gonna lie, I have a couple of gay friends who more or less feel the same way. They think there are a lot of trans issues are far enough removed from LGB issues that the trans community shouldn't be lumped into the same front of activism.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but it's not a very uncommon opinion.
It definitely isn't uncommon, and that is really frustrating. Transgender activists have been participating in the movement since the Stonewall riots, which are widely considered to be the beginning of the modern LGBT/gay rights movement. It shows a lack of awareness of our history, and sometimes I wonder if the trans-exclusion set isnt just enacting in miniature the sort of hierarchical bullshit that makes LGBT activists necessary in society at large.
What? An uncommon opinion getting downvotes on Reddit? A shocker!
This drama is nothing short of a circlejerk of ridiculousness. The guy doesn't have to agree with the entire LGBTQ movement, but the Reddit social justice hivemind is forcing him to.
And just because he has a different opinion doesn't mean others have to respect it, especially when it is as bigoted as that.
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Honestly, I still don't know how the T got tagged on. Trans people have more rights than gay people in a majority of states, to begin with.
Whoa now. Where did you hear that? I have more rights than my gay friend? Tell me more.
You can marry, and have reassignment surgery.
What do you mean by marry? The entire thing comes down to the gender marker on your records- if you're trans and homosexual, sure, you can get married, but only if you're still listed as your birth gender. If you're trans and straight, sure, you can get married, but only if you're listed as your post-transition gender.
Also, reassignment surgery doesn't really have any parallels with any sort of LGB issues- it's a medical procedure that costs tens of thousands of dollars paid out of pocket.
Actually. If I get married, because in the state i was born my birth certificate can not be changed, it would be considered a same sex marriage. As for reassignment surgery, let's see you easily cough up $70,000. While trying not to get fired from your job because you're transgender.
I'm not saying we have it harder, the struggles are totally different and you really can't compare them.
A lot of trans* folk feel similarly.
Personally, I think trans* folk should have their own activist organizations only because LGB so frequently ignore them, not because they're "slowing us down". But kicking the T out of LGBT when t-girls were punching the police at Stonewall? Fuck no.
Gay men said the same shit about lesbians in the 70s. Then AIDS happened and lesbian nurses and doctors were frequently the only people who would touch their KS riddled bodies. Jus fuckin sayin.
Actually, I'm not frustrated at being called a bigot. I know I'm bigoted. My main point is that I'm allowed to be both gay and a bigot, and that being gay doesn't magically make me tolerant of everyone on the planet. That's all. I also never called trans folk mentally challenged, I simply stated that Gender Dysphoria is also known as Gender Identity Disorder.
But, regardless, thanks for bringing even more attention to my throwaway account "off my chest" post. The more people who see it, the better.
Cheers!
EDIT: I hope my posting here isn't too Inception-esque for people. Just try not to create too much drama within SRD. Toodles!
Learn some history, trans people have been fighting beside gay people since the beginning of the LGBT / GSM rights movement.
Also this cracked me up:
>Which is why I would prefer that their struggle not be associated with the Gay Rights Movement, thus dragging and slowing it down.
...as if many gay rights' activists haven't been more than happy to forget what the T stands for.
I agree that LGBT and trans should be separated but you went about it in the most asinine way possible.
Who actually told you to identity with trans people? Absolutely no one besides yourself. You are projective MASSIVELY on everyone else because you absolutely hate yourself. It's just so obvious from everything you posted. You're attaching transgendered people to your neurons and brain and thought patterns. All your rage and emotional pain is coming from you, not transgendered people.
Are you really proud because you're a gay bigot? Or do you just hate yourself so much that you need to find someone who you think is more fucked up than you? Either way it's not going to make your life any easier. Why would another gay man want to associate themselves with a bigot when they may have been exposed to more bigots than most people? Why do this to yourself?
>Because I am too. Gay rights would be so much farther ahead if we didn't have trans folk tagging along for the ride.
>My main point is that I'm allowed to be both gay and a bigot, and that being gay doesn't magically make me tolerant of everyone on the planet.
I wonder what really sets back the civil rights movement more? Transgendered people or gay bigots? That is an obvious thing to say. Everyone can be stupid. No sane person is going to argue with that sentiment.
Honestly, I don't even give a shit about your 'opinion' regarding LGBT, it was good drama that's all.
But the point here is, by saying that it's ok for you to be gay and a bigot in a proud way allows someone else to say the same thing for you. I'm straight and I hate gay people, that doesn't sound good does it?
As for the mentally challenged part, you didn't call them that yourself but you agreed with another person who did.
I feel I should submit this in /r/SubredditDramaDrama
>But the point here is, by saying that it's ok for you to be gay and a bigot in a proud way allows someone else to say the same thing for you.
But that clearly isn't true. Bigotry is not per se a bad thing - I am bigoted against murderers, for example, and I'm willing to bet that you don't consider that morally objectionable. What's critical, when it comes to deciding whether bigotry is OK, is whom you're actually bigoted against.
Not liking murderers isn't really bigotry, bigotry is more used for unwarranted prejudice over things like race, religion. Having prejudices against murderers is a rational response, bigotry is generally irrational
You're welcome to define it that way if you want, but obviously that isn't what OP means by the word (otherwise he wouldn't self-identify as a bigot).
Well, that is the correct definition, that's why I define it that way. Either OP doesn't understand the ramifications of the word or he's using it correctly to describe his irrational prejudices against trans people and for some reason he's cool with it. If we use the term bigot to describe prejudices against anything then it dilutes the term.
I'm not too fond of arguing about semantics (which is why I tried to avoid discussing which definition is 'right' in my previous post), because doing so is boring.
For what it's worth, however, the OED defines it as intolerance to those who hold different opinions to oneself, which is rather different to your definition (in that intolerance towards people based on their opinions is very different to intolerance towards people based their immutable characteristics). I'm not saying that your definition is wrong, but I am saying that there is not (in this case) a single 'correct definition'.
Right but being a murderer isn't an opinion.
And if you think that's a counterargument to what I said, you're completely missing the point
I have a word for you: pompous.
And I have three for you: fuck off, cunt
Yea, you are 12 for sure.
I am not saying you are wrong by any means, I also hold a bias against people who kill inhumanely.
But the word bigot or bigotry is primarily used against people who hate people based on race or sexual identity (and so on).
>being bigoted isn't a bad thing per se
>bigoted against murderers
How's being 12 working out for ya?
...God, sometimes I forget how fucking boring the people on this website can be
> But, regardless, thanks for bringing even more attention to my throwaway account "off my chest" post. The more people who see it, the better.
> Just try not to create too much drama within SRD.
> Toodles!
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Good for you for admitting you're a bigot. When I need an example of cognitive dissonance I'll link back to this thread.
Edit: I agree with you on the sports/bathroom issue, but as a replier says - these are peripheral concerns to be addressed separately.
Just because you are allowed to be a bigot doesn’t mean other people need to accept it. You are the embodiment of the word ‘asshole’ and should be ashamed of yourself.
There. I said it. No further comments.
You're going to make the heads of the social justice warriors explode OP, a homosexual with a bigoted opinion.
I too hold bigoted opinions when it comes to transgenders but I never voice them because some of them struggle a lot emotionally when it comes to their identity and the social stigma. I have a lot of sympathy for them.
But yeah, you were supposed to fall in line with the troops of the LGBT alliance to unite your strength to fight the evil pre op non transgender cis men oppressing you, or something.
I don't know what you think you're doing, expressing individuality.
Good lord, and here I was thinking that gay people can't be assholes. Thank you for taking your time to show me that I was wrong, you're doing God's work, son!
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