SRSSucks links to an SRSWomen thread and titles it simply "Jimmies status: [RUSTLED] UNRUSTLED" OP from the SRSWomen thread shows up and even more jimmies get rustled. (np.reddit.com)
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424 comments submitted at 19:35:46 on Feb 14, 2014 by ValedictorianBaller
From the SRSwomen thread: >My boyfriend and I are actually going to be having a "nice" Valentine's Day chat about how his immature asshole friends will mock each others' girlfriends with shitty sexist language when they think no women are around, and I'm laying down in no uncertain terms that is Not Acceptable. I picked up on this a few days ago and I can't let it slide for some goofy holiday.
I'm really excited to see how this turns out. Is there drama in /u/SpermJackalope's future? Will her boyfriend react well to her saying his friend's behavior is "Not Acceptable?"
If he's dating an SRSter then he probably has little say over who he's friends with. I bet the update would be something like "he agrees with me and has decides to only hang out with people after I've deemed them acceptable."
Maybe. But if you read much srswomen/srsdiscussion (there's sometimes good stuff on there) you'd be astonished at how often they seem to end up with exactly the kind of guy they're supposed to hate.
I don't know if it was SRSWomen or another sub, but there was one thread about how a woman was feeling guilty for only liking "dominant white guys", and the consensus was that "your vagina is going to like what it's going to like".
(Of course, personal preferences if you have a (male) penis are oppression -- refusing to sleep with a pre-op transwomen is misogyny).
I would love to see a link to this, but yes, thats exactly what I'm talking about.
Pretty sure it was nuked. It was laughed heartily at in SRSSucks back when.
The cognitive dissonance is really astounding. I think it's part of the reason why they've convinced themselves that all unattractive men, be they fat, neckbeards, badly dressed, socially unskilled or whatever - are not actually awkward or socially unskilled, but rather evil, manipulative creeps. This gives them an excuse to hate unattractive guys without messing up the feminist narrative. I believe this is the source of the virulent hate always directed at "nice guys" and their ilk.
Exactly. One poor woman had to endure a relationship with a guy whose father had a sexy pinup calendar in his garage, and he refused to disown him for her. The humanity!
Didn't the dad die and he inherited all his cars and motorbikes, and she went mental because he wouldn't sell them because car culture was misogynistic. She demanded he sell them without giving him time to grieve because she wanted the money for her wedding?
Yeah, she was just featured here the other day.
thread, thread
Oh lord, I remember that thread. I thought it was a troll though.
Link?
Here's the posts they're talking about.
It almost surely was a troll. I believe they got a fair amount of support in the SRS thread though.
If it's a troll, it's pretty dedicated - they've been posting repeatedly with the same kind of tone/history for months now
As some people pointed out last time, her use of feminist theory is accurate (even if her views don't represent everyone in the movement). So, if she's a troll, she's one who took the time to sound very real.
I think her purpose is to make feminism look as crazy as possible.
In the original thread, it had apparently been "verified" by the SRSWomen mods, whatever that entails. (As there was definitly accusations of it being an SRSS troll, given how awesome the story was). I guess they had some kind of process for determining that she was an authentic poster? I wish the thread wasn't long deleted...
>I believe they got a fair amount of support in the SRS thread though.
Not at all. I can't find the comments screenshots but they weren't supportive even before the section was bridged.
Edit: Found some.
Cis white heterosexual male?
Cis white heterosexual male who doesn't hate himself for being one.
That, but I'm talking about personality as well as identity.
Generally when their IRL male friends are brought up SRS is pretty fast with the "But they're an exception!"
I feel like the attitude is a lot of the time is "men are terrible except for my boyfriend, he's different!"
SRSD often has good stuff. SRSWomen.... not so much.
"Hey guys, I got this questionnaire here from the girlfriend... can you please fill it out and send it to her by certified mail to see if you're "proper" enough to continue being my friend... Thank you, that is all".
Also, don't forget to notarize it!
Just spread some menses over it and make a seal with your teeth.
Sounds more like a hostage negotiation than a relationship.
I actually like most of his friends. Like half of his frat brothers are douchey, though.
Wouldn't it just be easier to break up with him?
I'm thinking it'd be easier for him to break up with her.
I think it's easier to smell their kind a mile away before even committing to a first date.
What do you mean by "their kind?" I have no problem dating a feminist woman. One who wants to tell my friends what language they can use is another matter though.
I'm talking about the SRS kind who try to tell me how to run my life, who I can be friends/family with, etc. Other than that, I love moderate feminists and easily see myself dating them.
Yeah, cause adults break up over every little thing instead of talking about it.
I dunno, it seems like there's a fundamental disconnect between your and your boyfriends values. Mostly on your part. You want him to alienate himself from his friends because for what? Because you're insecure about your sexual history?
I want him to not be okay with a limited number of his friends' misogyny. Because misogyny isn't okay.
Thanks for telling me that. Of course I didn't know that misogyny IS NOT OK.
Oh so you leapt to that conclusion for absolutely no reason? Cool.
"Boyfriend"
"Boyfriend"? Do you prefer I say "beaux"?
Suitor, perhaps.
"Gentlesir"
I like the idea that the mature thing to do is to berate immature asshole's behind their backs... Precisely like the immature asshole friends she's berating.
And now I'm berating her behind her back for being an immature asshole.
This is some M.C Escher shit right here.
Ugh. I kinda like SpermJackalope. She's a bluepill mod and generally pretty entertaining. It sorta bugs me to see her acting like that.
You're kidding yourself if you think there is no overlap between /r/TheBluePill and /r/ShitRedditSays
EDIT: She's here! IT'S HAPPENING GUYS!
I know there's some, but thebluepill isn't inherently SRSy.
It'd be like joking with someone over bitcoin drama and then finding out they're a radical communist who wants to execute bankers.
I have SRS tagged...
It's mostly SRS... No joke.
I don't know why anyone would frequent someplace like TBP if they don't have an SRS mindset.
I find their fixation on TRP a little odd myself.
I don't know whether I have an "SRS mindset", but I frequent TBP because TRP depresses me. Sometimes I feel like seeing reasoned critiques of their ideas, but sometimes I really just want to watch people circlejerk and make fun of TRP. It reminds me that most people don't agree with those assholes, and that makes me feel better about the world. Is that inherently "SRSy"? idk...
I subscribed to TBP and then to SRS but after a while I found SRS to be ridiculous. TBP is still funny though.
Because you don't need to be a radical SRSter to oppose the rape mentality and misogyny TRP displays.
I love TBP, it could do without the crazy SRS types, but I still love it.
I think the SRS mindset is more about actively looking for things to be offended by and then complaining about how awful they are than, say, radical feminism. Most people oppose what TRP believes, they just don't circlejerk over it.
Because TRP is bad in the eyes of most everyone. I see some SRS mentality there but mostly it's just TRP is hypocritical and delusional. I ignore the SRS stuff because I like the rest of the sub and so far I haven't been banned for publicly disagreeing with it
I have SRS tagged and I can't see any...
I think he meant that there isn't much SRS discussion there. Yeah most people there are SRS but they rarely act like it.
>It'd be like joking with someone over bitcoin drama and then finding out they're a radical communist who wants to execute bankers.
That sounds kind of SRSy.
Hey, sounds like me :)
>I know there's some, but thebluepill isn't inherently SRSy.
I've seen a lot of SRS-style circlejerking in bluepill lately. A lot of the more prominent subscribers seem to come from SRS, /againstmensrights, etc.
Thank ~~God~~ Biotroofs for compartmentalization!
Acting like what? Like I have a problem with guys calling a woman fat and slutty because she's now dating their friend and they saw one picture of the two of them together? No, I'm not cool with that.
Acting like there's no nuance and like you can put complex individuals into categories of either 'trash' or 'no flaws' and insist your boyfriend act accordingly.
Do you remember that bit of drama with the woman whose fiance's dad died and left him his classic car collection and the woman demanded her fiance sell the cars because she thought the dad was misogynistic and so was car culture? Real relationships don't work like that. That was his dad, the man who raised him, played catch with him, and was present for his whole life. She can't just ignore everything, dismiss him as misogynist and insist the fiance cut all ties with anything to do with him.
I should emphasize here that I'm not defending misogyny, nor am I defending your boyfriend's friend's actions. I'm saying that the sum of everything that person says and does cannot be contained in the scope of one anecdote. If you have no space in your life for anyone who isn't 100% problematic free, you're going to have a very empty life. Unless your boyfriend's friend's are neo-nazi's or something, it's crazy to dictate how he interacts with them.
You trust your boyfriend's judgment, and you trust that's he's not a misogynist. Can you trust him to make his own decisions about his own friends?
>Acting like there's no nuance and like you can put complex individuals into categories of either 'trash' or 'no flaws' and insist your boyfriend act accordingly.
Yeah, that's not what I did. I do expect my boyfriend to be a good person, that's not unreasonable.
>I'm saying that the sum of everything that person says and does cannot be contained in the scope of one anecdote.
But you think the summary of how I interact with and feel about my boyfriend is contained in the scope of one paragraph I tossed off on the Internet. As I was baking cookies for him for Valentine's Day, btw.
>Can you trust him to make his own decisions about his own friends?
Why the fuck is everyone here assuming I told him to never hang out with those people again? I told him that was really douchey, he said he doesn't contribute to it and isn't a fan, and I said I would like him to be more down on that stuff in the future because if his friends say that stuff about a woman they just see a picture of, they probably say it about his bi, sex-positive girlfriend who's had many sex partners, too. He likes me to hang out with his friends (I get along great with most of his friends, btw) and if he wants me to hang out with this group I don't want to feel constantly uncomfortable and on-guard around them.
It wasn't even a fight. It's something that upsets me and I care a lot about so I would have had an argument about it if he dismissed me or thought it wasn't a problem, but it wasn't.
Well...alright. I see your point of view and I assumed things that I shouldn't've.
>Why the fuck is everyone here assuming I told him to never hang out with those people again?
Because you posted it in srswomen, a place generally not known for their reasonable response to things. A place where at their worst, they can rival TRP at their average.
>Well...alright. I see your point of view and I assumed things that I shouldn't've.
Not really, SJ's post pretty much tracks with what you said but with a heavy layer of rationalization to grease the wheels.
"I didn't tell him to never hang out with them again, I just told him he has to continually police their behavior when I'm not around because otherwise I have to be constantly uncomfortable and on-guard around them" is like saying... well, it's like saying "It wasn't even a fight, because he agreed completely with me".
>A place where at their worst, they can rival TRP at their average.
Oh come on.
/r/TheRedPill has some horrible things to say about women, but it doesn't actively ban them from posting. Which subreddit is more exclusionary?
It is so not worth engaging these people.
But think of the popcorn!
I have no idea who you are or what the fuss is all about, but seeing everyone here so excited is really making me excited too.
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That's a bit of an overreaction. Telling your SO that their friends behavior is "Not Acceptable" is pretty lulzy (and if they have a spine they'll tell you to fuck off), but it's not abuse.
What I mean is if she thinks that's an okay thing to do then she probably treats him like complete shit. I can honestly never imagine my gf telling me something like that.
It shows a lot.
Isn't she a moderator of /r/TheBluePill? Maybe I'm thinking too much about this, but it sounds pretty red pill to be dictating to your SO who they can hang out with.
It's straight up abusive and she has no place dictating what a "good" relationship is. This is the second bluepill mod I encounter that leads an abusive relationship. I had an argument with one who said she always shit tests her bf to make sure he does the right things and she couldn't see how abusive and manipulative that is.
It's crazyyyyy
How's it abusive to point to your SO's friends' behavior and tell your SO that is not acceptable?
Hypothetical: Your girlfriend's female friends, all of whom are in relationships with guys, tend to get really drunk and make out with each other. You would not be okay with your girlfriend making out with one of her friends. Hence, you tell your girlfriend, "that behavior is not acceptable". Abusive or setting clear boundaries?
Yeah "abusive" to tell him his friends better not be calling me a slut behind my back. Wow.
It's what guys do. You're just going to embarrass your boyfriend.
Deal with it.
It's what some guys do. I don't hang with guys who call women sluts, because fuck that.
But it's crucial to male bonding!!! It is literally incomprehensible that men not mock their girlfriends to their friends!!!!!!
Hahaha, whoa, wait, what? I could kinda see your point of view until this bullshit. Calling women sluts behind their back is just "what guys do" and nobody should call them on it because that would ruin their precious male bond? What the everloving fuck? Is your opinion of men actually that low?
Embarrass him with a private conversation. Right.
And I should deal with it instead of having an adult conversation because . . .
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Yeah, obviously you're being reasonable. Don't worry about the assholes telling you otherwise. I think the fucknugget ratio ITT is higher because it's SRS-related drama so the anti-SRS circlejerk is in high gear.
Did I say I was banning him from ever hanging out with them again?
That's a bit more extrapolation than I'm willing to do.
Probably extrapolating a bit far, but isolation from your friends is a hallmark of abusive relationships.
Point out the "isolation from friends" please.
I'll let him know I treat him like shit and he should break up with me. He'll be quite surprised.
I mean, is that not what you do when your SO does something that you find to be a huge problem? There is space between "This is perfectly awesome" and "We should break up over this", just so you know.
The problem is that what I quoted sounds like an ultimatum (particularly with capitalizing Not Acceptable). Perhaps you said something like "I'm not sure if you've noticed, but sometimes your friends say things that are sexist and it is offensive to me." If you'd said that in your post I probably wouldn't have quoted it, but it sounded like you were going the confrontational route, hence the possibility for drama.
Because obviously reddit comments are always transcripts of exactly what you plan to say in real life.
It is an ultimatum for me that whoever I'm dating not be okay with sexism. I would have become confrontational if he was dismissive or disagreed it was a reasonable thing to be upset about or whatever. It's not like I started off yelling at him or anything.
>Because obviously reddit comments are always transcripts of exactly what you plan to say in real life.
Not being the NSA it's really all we have to go on.
Hi, no personal attacks
Oupsssss
Not personal attacking, general attacking if that makes things any better?
What naughty words did you say that the mods removed your comment?
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Ah see you did something wrong there, you can't use naughty words like that in this sub, the mods hate that. Maybe call her a boob next time, I think that's okay.
Iv been commenting on this sub since 1000 subscribers and this is literally the first time iv ever been told i can't use such words.
I knew of the rule but iv never seen it get used until now.
MEH.
Take has strong sjw tendencies. Give it a few months and he'll be out of his scopies phase.
Well the moderation changed a lot. It used to be more fun around here I agree.
You're a poopiehead btw (just testing it out).
Edgyyyyyyyyy
No, you can't call people names here. This is a pretty basic rule - no personal attacks.
Criticizer her ideas, criticize her reaction, whatever. Don't personally attack her. "Bad words" are fine. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.
What about poopiehead?
is this rule really so confusing?
Last chance.
Power trip much? He didn't post a personal attack or even say the actual naughty word that time.
If removing personal attacks makes me a powertripper, then I'll own that label.
No, those are personal attacks and I removed the comment. If you want to edit them out, I'll reapprove.
It's fine I feel lazy. Been here for years and this is the first time I get warned.
OK, in the future, general criticism is fine but personal attacks aren't.
So many angry single dudes upset feeeeeemales have standards up in here.
Boyfriend agrees his friends were being douchebags, actually, and says he'll try to be more down on that shit in the future, cause his usual MO is to just go quiet or leave when they get assholey.
In SpermJackalope's future: Valentine's Day sex.
> In SpermJackalope's future: Valentine's Day sex.
cool story bro
U jelly bro?
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