Red piller takes extreme offense about people taken offense at /r/theredpill in /r/askreddit. (np.reddit.com)
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138 comments submitted at 23:55:04 on Aug 26, 2013 by billpika
Red piller takes extreme offense about people taken offense at /r/theredpill in /r/askreddit. (np.reddit.com)
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216 ups - 86 downs = 130 votes
138 comments submitted at 23:55:04 on Aug 26, 2013 by billpika
Interestingly, aside from being a Red Piller, he seems far more reasonable than the people he's arguing with. He states at the beginning he only takes responsibility for what he writes, he explains that there are weird and bitter extremists all over reddit (as with the every-now-and-then hateful MRA posts), and he asks not to be considered guilty by association. The angry and spiteful replies that he gets, he responds to calmly and rationally without letting the bile get to him, and aside from a few snarky replies to some very hostile people, is pretty respectful. All in all, he seems like an eminently reasonable bloke. Aside from being a red piller, that is.
He repeatedly calls the people he's arguing with trolls, tells them to "go back to SRS," asks if they're ashamed of their masculinity because their mother beat them, and at the end lies about being a woman, only to be immediately called out on it, then pretends to have been trolling the entire time. Not so reasonable, I think.
Haha ew why was he hanging out in r/teenagers
edit: omg and he's 30 eeeeeeew
EEEEEEEEEEW!!!!
He keeps gettin' older; they stay the saaaaaaaame age.
Well, you certainly had to dig deep to find those. The first two or so pages of his comments were far more reasonable. I can only assume that getting such an initial hostile reaction for comments he never said and being the whipping boy for an entire sub would get to you after a while.
Well, he calls the OP a troll and tells them to go back to SRS in his very first comment. And no one tries to make him take the fall for things he never said. Someone just commented saying that they thought TRP was a misogynistic sub, he said that it wasn't, and the OP replied with multiple links as evidence.
Consider it from his perspective. He self-identifies with a group (TRP), but he doesn't agree with what the overwhelming majority of people would call the crazy batshit. Somewhere in his life, he's come to the conclusion that this is a female dominated world and you know what, in many areas when you don't have a job, or you're young, or don't have some kind of responsibility or power, it's easy to lose sight of why that's not the case. Now a bunch of people are getting on his case about how something he self-identifies with is a cesspit, batshit, and all round 'orrible, and putting all of that on him. Not hard to see how someone would get defensive and respond with calling them a troll and/or implying that they're part of the 'gynocentric conspiracy world' for attacking this bastion, this towering colossus of mens rights activism, TRP.
But aside from that, his responses up until the third or fourth page of comments were very reasonable. Someone baits him with 'Would you like me to post some of the gems you alpha boys have written?', and he - most intelligently I might add - responds that he only takes responsibility for what he's written. And through two pages of people attacking him, calling him a 'special little snow flake' merely for identifying with a subreddit like TRP, and then they lay all the fucked up shit that TRP has said at his feet as if he's responsible. Should you feel responsible because, perhaps, you identify as a redditer, and that was written on reddit? How small (or large) does a group have to be, before what a few people say can be generalized to the collective? I post on /r/europe often, it's probably my most active subreddit. But I don't necessarily have to attribute all the anti-gypsy stuff they say to myself, because I'm not racist. Now, admittedly, I haven't spent any time on TRP so I don't know if it's really all that horrible. But that's beside the point here, the point is that a bunch of people jumped on the back of a guy and basically associated what a few crackpots said to him, whilst throughout he's saying 'I'm only responsible for what I've written'.
All I'm saying is his reaction was understandable, and if people took the merest moment of time to share a shred of empathy for the guy, they'd understand where he was coming from and how he was being more reasonable than many of the people arguing against him.
I understand why he was upset (because people were criticizing his favorite sub), but the whole argument didn't start out as a personal attack against him. Commenters were saying why they disliked TRP, and offering evidence to explain, and he just kept responding that he himself had never posted anything like that, even though no one was accusing him of doing so in the first place.
If someone told me that they disliked reddit because of things like /r/jailbait or /r/creepshots, I wouldn't respond, "Yeah, well, I've never posted on those subreddits, so your criticisms are invalid."
As I said, he self identified as a TRPer, it was more than just his favourite sub. Meaning an attack on the subreddit was an attack on part of his identity, just as to many MRAs/Feminists an attack on their ideology feels like a personal attack on them.
That's a whole other argument, then, because TRP's ideology actually is quite misogynistic, as is the majority of the sub. Regardless, I don't think this guy reacted in a reasonable way to the criticism that it was facing. There really isn't any excuse for asking "Did your mother beat you?" over a silly disagreement.
Yeah, and maybe if he'd tried to stay remotely on topic in an argument he started that would have worked but here's how it went down:
>TRP is full of so called "alpha males" in their boys-only, a woman's place is on her back, seddit on steroids pose. They seem to communicate mostly through a system of grunts and farts that basically translate to "women are bitches, manipulate them into sex if you can, rape them if you can't."
Response:
> That is all lies
Then!
>What if I give you examples?
And!
>Well, I'm not saying anything like what you just said and take no responsibility for people who do.
You'll note that this has nothing to do with the origin of the argument, which is him claiming that Testosterage is lying about everything he claims TRP is. It goes downhill from here rapidly. Regardless of whether or not he made his point civilly and intelligently (debatable), the point he was making was completely irrelevant. And when he got called out on this, the discussion went south faster than a metaphor about going south quickly. So either he intentionally tried to move the goal posts or he's just dumb and either way, he doesn't deserve any kind of recognition for how he conducted himself.
You're making my popcorn taste weird.
Sorry, just trying to inject a dose of empathy and rationality. Everyone has at least one mildly crazy view, I don't think it's particularly nice to jump on them for it. I don't think everyone else agree with me though, they'd rather just assume the guy is a piece of shit because he subscribes to TRP.
It's easy to see this as a story with characters, it's another thing entirely to see someone on the internet as a fellow human being with flaws and shit.
Now my popcorn tastes a little like poo.
Dig deep? He just actually read what the guy posted...
He IS guilty by association.
No one who isn't a giant douche and a sexist could ever take TRP seriously.
Well then you're guilty by association for being a redditer.
Terrorists are humans. You are a human. Therefore, you are a terrorist by association.
That's clearly a stupid thing to say. Humans are vast and complex. However, if someone said they sympathized with Al Qaida, a much smaller and more specific subset of humans, would they not be guilty by association?
There is far, far more variability across all of reddit than there is across TRP. I mean hell, read their FAQ for fuck's sake.
There's 15,000 people there (actually, I'm surprised there's so many). You think they're all misogynistic fuckbags, or do you think there might be a couple for whom some of the non-rapey ideals appeal to, as this guy seems to be with his focus mostly on the 'theory' with the gynocentric world and what not?
I'd say at least half of the subscribers there are only subscribed to keep up with and laugh at the bullshit posted there. I wasn't talking about the subscribers per se, I was talking about the sympathizers. But on a site with hundreds of millions of users, it's not at all unreasonable to assume there are 15,000 sexist douchebags.
There are plenty of non rapey subreddits for discussing male issues and female domination, /r/mensrights being but one of them.
There are certainly dumb things written on TRP, but there are also legit and sensible posts there too. I do get tired of hearing them slagged on the rest of reddit.
The world does need a place for gender issues to be discussed from a male perspective.
Manipulating women into having sex with you is not a mens issue.
And what on earth is wrong with OneY, AskMen, or any number of subreddits (or, hell, the entirety of reddit, since most people assume the user they are dealing with is male) , instead of a subreddit with a lot of sketchy content. You don't see the same sort of hateful rhetoric in, say, OneY as do in TRP.
> there are also legit and sensible posts there too.
[citation needed]
> The world does need a place for gender issues to be discussed from a male perspective.
That's like saying the world needs a place for racial issues to be discussed from a Klan perspective. TRP literally believes that all women have the mental and emotional maturity of teenagers at best. They believe that women are incapable of genuine love; they believe that women are incapable of genuine fidelity; they believe that treating a woman as an equal is one of the biggest mistakes a man can ever make. All that is right there in the sidebar. This is not a 'male perspective'; this is a hate site. TRP is to women what /r/TrayvonMartin is to black people.
I agree. It's creepy to see them all classified as one way based on the actions of a few. Not agreeing with him, just saying it's weird if you see the world that way.
If I join the KKK should I be surprised people think I'm a racist?
You just compared joining the KKK to joining a subreddit.
Very astute.
Let's take it down a notch indeed.
> It's creepy to see them all classified as one way based on the actions of a few.
It's not so much the actions of a few (but it certainly doesn't help), but it's also their sidebar, rules, guides and moderators. Technically speaking you are correct. But if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck...