PSA: Avoid Kill-Streak Gaming Servers. (self.tf2)

98 ups - 14 downs = 84 votes

Kill-Streak Gaming is a group on Steam run by a man named m1dnightshadow. It has over 100k members and is a pretty popular group.

However, nothing involved inside the KSG community was never clean, as m1dnightshadow had planned DDOS attacks on another very popular group known as Skial.(Proof: https://soundcloud.com/anyasometimes/untitiled) He has also invaded the community of skial, belittling it’s members (Proof: http://www.skial.com/threads/hey-fagots-my-name-is-m1dnightshadow-and-i-hate-every-single-one-of-you-shitpost-thread.40644) But that’s not all. Over the course of KSG’s history, thousands of dollars were earned through donations, every cent being promised to be used for the better of the servers. However, m1dnight used the money for his own personal shopping spree, this includes possibly hundreds of dollars for a psychic fortune teller. (Proof:http://pastebin.com/P0BBhvg8)

If you have heard of Kill-Streak Gaming and are apart of it’s community you need to leave IMMEDIATELY. IT IS RUN BY A LUNATIC WITH A HISTORY OF CORRUPTION.

Edit: Antamania, a former head admin of KSG, gives his side of the story http://steamcommunity.com/groups/killstreakgaming/discussions/0/864976115040285332/

Edit 2: Wezlyy, the former head technician of KSG, gives his side of the story http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1keagu/psaavoidkillstreakgamingservers/cbo8xnx

56 comments submitted at 03:23:58 on Aug 15, 2013 by Optie

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  • Quetetris
  • 46 Points
  • 03:32:13, 15 August

Well, I wouldn't expect much from someone who calls himself "m1dnightshadow" and has a MLG tag on his nick

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  • Qymain
  • 22 Points
  • 08:19:35, 15 August

Hello, I am Qymain, and a former admin of Kill-Streak that took the name Hidden. Kill-Streak was actually an amazing community, with many, many regulars especially on the eastern 2fort server. I am definitely going to miss them. Yet, this whole situation is true. He said in his own words that he spent all of his donater money on this psychic, and to be exact, $1600. Also, he called all of the regulars stupid. So, he didn't care about the community, only the money. This community is actually his little play toy that he has no care about. I am only being honest. Also, this is the Psychic he went to.. http://www.psychic-amanda.com/

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  • Antamania
  • 11 Points
  • 09:07:11, 15 August

Agree with everything said here pretty much. As an aside, he should of been able to tell this psychic is a fraud. She isn't ancient, doesn't have 60 shawls, and her doorways weren't made of stringed beads.

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  • optimus_pines
  • 6 Points
  • 11:02:09, 15 August

> 2fort server

you mean purgatory

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  • wezlyyy
  • 11 Points
  • 13:34:52, 15 August

Hey guys, I am wezlyyy. A former head server technician for KSG. Like most other admins, I migrated over to Black Magic Gaming( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/blackmagicgamingbmg ). But that is beside the point we are trying to make here. Essentially, all m1dnight has ever been for the community is the guy with the credit card. Now that's still a very big part, but you would expect something more. Me and Antamania have been essentially cleaning up his messes for a long time now, and I would like to make some extra points.

m1dnight usually only comes on past midnight(heh) and starts making very risky executive decisions. He "axes" admins that he does not recognize(because he isn't around often enough), he puts plugins and features on the servers that hurts the servers technically and in their popularity. I wake up the next morning seeing he DDoSed some kids and stuck some plugins on the servers(one time it was pony porn on the MOTD), and everyone expects me to clean it up. Antamania gets all the complaints and has to direct traffic as well.

Then everyone settles down, the plugins are fixed and everything is back to normal. Until midnight. He comes on, finds me and Ant have fixed things "behind his back" while he told us he would be gone and we were allowed to make decisions like we did. He has taken me and Ants admin away many times, punished everyone in sight for going against him. He considered the admins his puppets, not allowing them to make public opinions about KSG.

He now DDoSes many admins day and night, everyone has been taught the avoid these things,and we move on. We do have evidence of him admitting and we have large IP logs in order to prosecute him in court. Might I add that Bottiger, Skial's owner, has been tracking these attacks every time they happen. He has proof of every single one. The 100+ times he has done it can put him away for a long time and as you can see, with all the donor chargebacks he is getting, there is no bail out.

This is no gaming internet tear fest, what he has done is very illegal on the international level and will be prosecuted.

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  • Mr_CiNiC
  • 1 Points
  • 13:48:06, 15 August

Hey, Wezz. Yeah, night before last, we're pretty sure he tried DDoSing one of our admins, "Rhi", because she is the host of that soundcloud file of him on Teamspeak (had 143 ping to Google and bad ping on all servers, had to call ISP).

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  • wezlyyy
  • 1 Points
  • 14:54:10, 15 August

Would not be surprised at all.

We actually got into the admin panel of the website(dont ask us how) and tried to delete all of the IP data from the forums + hlstats to prevent him knowing everyones IPs to DDoS.

On a side note, just installed teamspeak, but my good mic is elsewhere :( but anyways ill try to hang a little in skial's TS

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  • Olympian_One
  • 10 Points
  • 07:27:59, 15 August

Someone hacked KSG a few days ago and said LEAVE a bunch of times as like events and stuff. He also said something about DDOS, I didn't really pay attention, I thought he was just an asshole. I had no idea that KSG did that shit. Thanks for the PSA.

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  • Antamania
  • 10 Points
  • 08:18:20, 15 August

Hey gents, poster of that announcement on the bottom here. Just wanted to say it may seem barren of a few things to someone who isn't involved in the KSG drama that occurred a few days ago..but that post should make sense to the people who have been playing there for a long time.

I would type a whole backround on the situation but honestly I feel as if it would be wasted, since I don't feel as if a lot of redditors touch those servers as is.

Also as I said, the intent was for it to remain in the group, I wasn't going to level accusations that people wouldn't understand since they haven't seen him going apeshit personally. It's hard for one to appreciate the acts of a loon without having first hand experience I suppose.

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  • TectonicImprov
  • 5 Points
  • 09:19:47, 15 August

Holy shit if it isn't a blast from the past. I remember being a regular at KSG back in late 2011 early 2012. There was a falling out with some other regulars and they formed their own server that I've been with since. There's actually a pastebin floating around of me talking with a former admin at the time. If I can find it i'll post it.

Edit: Not what I was talking about, but here is a dramatization of the events I talked about:

http://pastebin.com/nxhb2Ep4

  • [-]
  • Antamania
  • 3 Points
  • 09:28:57, 15 August

Firekip, the KSG historian :D

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  • TectonicImprov
  • 3 Points
  • 09:33:13, 15 August

Yes he sure compiled some good info,

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  • Vlisa
  • 5 Points
  • 08:33:47, 15 August

Huh so that was it. I play on Skial quite a bit and I've seen the DDOS. Thanks for the update, please post again if anything else comes up!

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  • Defenestration2
  • 4 Points
  • 13:55:20, 15 August

Why the fuck would you spend a bunch of stolen money on a psychic? I've been invited to them, but never had any interest, I liked their servers, but that was really the extent of my interest in them. I do believe they were the group that had the nice Dota 2 kill announcers on their servers, but I could be wrong. Damn shame the guy in charge is such an asshole. Guess I'd better take them off my favorites.

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  • Mr_CiNiC
  • 6 Points
  • 13:10:54, 15 August

http://i.imgur.com/62iwz.gif

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  • Kogknight
  • 4 Points
  • 08:09:19, 15 August

Shit fighting shit.

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  • I_HAVE_SEEN_CAT
  • 3 Points
  • 03:45:48, 15 August

welp, there goes my favorite pubs

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  • Weltschmerzification
  • -6 Points
  • 04:58:27, 15 August

Skial is pretty terrible anyways, not like that justifies DDoS attacks

  • [-]
  • Breizh56
  • 13 Points
  • 05:55:10, 15 August

How is Skial terrible? It's my favorite community by far, especially compared to, well, pretty much any other TF2 community.

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  • TheDoc42
  • 2 Points
  • 06:47:21, 15 August

Off topic, but do they have US payload or capture point stock ROTATION servers? I see a lot of 24/7

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  • ProfessorWhom
  • 1 Points
  • 07:28:36, 15 August

Yep.

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  • Antamania
  • 1 Points
  • 08:37:27, 15 August

If you're referring to kill-streak, no he kept it entirely 24/7.

Skial has a bunch of rotation stuff, just 24/7 maps happen to be more popular than rotation in most cases as far as pubs go.

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  • Nordvargr
  • 3 Points
  • 07:41:05, 15 August

Pinion.

Skial didn't always use pinion, but then they did so I never came back.

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  • Vlisa
  • 2 Points
  • 08:31:57, 15 August

Have you tried disabling MotD in the online settings? Though I understand if you don't support the servers on the principle of them using Pinion.

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  • Nordvargr
  • 2 Points
  • 09:14:27, 15 August

I use the pinion blocker and cl_disablehtmlmotd 1 but that doesn't stop pinion bullshit from forcing me to sit at the MOTD screen while the advertisements I can't see are supposed to play.

There are plenty of servers that don't force me to wait for no reason, hell even Valve servers are better than that.

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  • EdaMadMan
  • 1 Points
  • 05:59:24, 15 August

The group itself isn't bad, just the community has a lot of douchebags that stick out more than the nice people

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  • Antamania
  • 4 Points
  • 08:17:14, 15 August

Low pinion times, non-admin abusing admins why is it terrible? I feel as if most of the hate skial gets is bandwagon.

It's an online video game, if you had a bad experience with a server and it wasn't an admin or providers fault how does that reflect poorly on skial? They get quickplay traffic like anyone else, and with quickplay traffic (or hell even without) come idiots.

Their forum is relatively friendly, active there really isn't a whole lot of reason to hate them.

  • [-]
  • Nordvargr
  • 0 Points
  • 09:24:19, 15 August

Skial uses pinion. That you view "low pinion times" as a plus speaks mountains.

I guess I am somewhat privileged in the TF2 pub communities I've chosen to play in. I don't even particularly like some of those player communities, but at least they don't force bullshit on their players.

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  • arwenundomiel90
  • 2 Points
  • 11:19:47, 15 August

Wow, you can't sit there an extra 5 seconds? It's so little of a time that it's hilarious everyone complains.

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  • caseofthematts
  • 2 Points
  • 11:40:44, 15 August

You must be extremely lucky. The pinion ads I always encounter start at waiting for 20 seconds. That's the low end. It only gets worse from there.

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  • arwenundomiel90
  • 2 Points
  • 11:43:40, 15 August

Oh jeez. I've seen 30 but that's on random quick play servers I've never heard of before. On Skial, for me, the highest was 10 seconds but I was waiting to respawn.

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  • caseofthematts
  • 3 Points
  • 11:47:46, 15 August

10 seconds ain't too bad. 15 is pushing it a little but still tolerable. Any number after that and I'm leaving the server. I'm fine with waiting a little bit, but seriously.

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  • Antamania
  • 1 Points
  • 09:27:48, 15 August

tbh I go AFK when I hit "play game" by the time I get back, I'm ready to play. I really don't think a few second wait is catastrophic. I really don't view it as a gamebreaker, but different strokes for different folks as they say.

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  • StevenBogda
  • 1 Points
  • 13:47:21, 15 August

Hi Antamania.

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  • leaccountlele
  • 13 Points
  • 05:26:48, 15 August

Skial isn't terrible at all...

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  • com_BOY
  • 3 Points
  • 08:37:19, 15 August

They have voting disabled...

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  • StrangeBarkin
  • 4 Points
  • 08:47:59, 15 August

!votemenu

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  • com_BOY
  • -1 Points
  • 09:22:24, 15 August

... Well that's weird. Why don't they use the vanilla voting system?

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  • Ultra-Bad-Poker-Face
  • 7 Points
  • 09:54:20, 15 August

Voting failed: not enough players voted. Voting failed: not enough players voted. Voting failed: not enough players voted.

  • [-]
  • StrangeBarkin
  • 2 Points
  • 12:25:40, 15 August

Because vanilla doesnt have vote mute or voteban

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  • com_BOY
  • 0 Points
  • 12:37:52, 15 August

Why don't they use vanilla voting and add !voteban and !votemute comamnds. Vanilla voting is better for what it can.

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  • IShouldBuyACat
  • 2 Points
  • 08:46:37, 15 August

Do you not remember the issue a few months back where Skial's owner refused to turn off the advertisements being displayed in their MOTD even though people were being infected by some of the ads? They also became extremely hostile towards anyone that questioned their idiocy.

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  • Medibro
  • 2 Points
  • 12:49:45, 15 August

Oh yes, I do. Skial are by no means a great server network, but their servers aren't pay to win, have good connectivity and they also have a good selection of dedicated 24/7 servers. I honestly think any server which runs advertisements which get in the way of gameplay / cannot be skipped should be removed from the search list. I also think if a server can't sustain itself without the use of advertisements then it should shut down.

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  • arwenundomiel90
  • 2 Points
  • 11:16:10, 15 August

I play on Skial. Everyone is always commenting here how horrible it is but I don't see it. I meet some of the friendliest people there.

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  • Heneris
  • 1 Points
  • 10:13:08, 15 August

TL;DR People are assholes, play on the server just don't fucking donate.

  • [-]
  • Nordvargr
  • -2 Points
  • 07:30:11, 15 August

Wasting excess donations is nothing surprising really. Servers should cost in the range of $18-$24 to run each month. Hosting is reliable and cheap; the stability of a server is dependent on whether the owner can keep the plugins they use (sourcemod/metamod/etc) up to date and not conflicting.

Anyone claiming they need donations to run their server shouldn't be running one. Servers are so cheap if they can't afford to run one out of pocket they shouldn't be running a server at all. I'm sure some people that make money off donations will disagree. Just look at the cost of hosting and ask yourself if they really need money or are actually making a pretty penny off those donations.

If just 4 people donate $5 each month - a server is paid for. Where does the excess money go?

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  • Antamania
  • 5 Points
  • 08:33:50, 15 August

You make very valid, good points. The thing is he lied to people, he made a big stink about the servers not having enough money. He even shut them down a day or two to "raise awareness to the lack of funds coming into KSG and how he has to shut them down."

He claimed the servers were costing him 310 a month, and after research I found out the same provider was giving him the servers for roughly 50 a month. He also lied about pinion income, and was getting far more from pinion than the costs of the servers.

He just did a lot of money-grubby, scummy things. It just was an outrage because he didn't actually need the money.

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  • Nordvargr
  • 1 Points
  • 09:08:20, 15 August

There's been worse, really.

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  • Antamania
  • 4 Points
  • 09:10:18, 15 August

Still doesn't make this act any less grimy. But yeah, I do remember this - too funny.

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  • Hackein
  • 1 Points
  • 14:53:02, 15 August

Some decent server hosts go for about 20-25 euros, for around 20-30 slots, and some decent ram. If I am ever going to have a server (Wich I possibly will), if I have excess money from donations, I set them aside for when people DON'T donate. You aren't going to get 4 people to donate 5$ a month with a one-server or two-server community.

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  • [deleted]
  • -3 Points
  • 06:19:19, 15 August

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  • Antamania
  • 2 Points
  • 08:13:06, 15 August

I would rather not have my IP or others be public. I had no intent for this to be posted on reddit - a lot of the post was directed at those who have been around that community and dealt with this drama personally and have some backround into the situation.

If anything the post was mainly to inflame him into responding and looking more like a fool infront of the people with more wild accusations, which is undoubtedly going to happen assuming he doesn't delete it.

But, as I said I am of course willing to give my proof privately, just not over a public forum (especially reddit.) until I've had time to make it appropriate for such a thing.

Edit: Also as an aside, if you bothered to read the entire thing, I said in there specifically I'd provide proof to anyone who asked me for it, so that should of given you some idea that I didn't just want anyone clearly able to access player IPs, as well as somewhat private discussions.

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  • Bluuper
  • -12 Points
  • 05:01:28, 15 August

PSA: Avoid every goddamn server run by a group ever. Boycotting KSG servers will not prove enough of an impact for them to be shut down, and not playing on them because their leader is a dumbass is just childish. (Of course, if EVERYONE would boycott it then there would be a reason to not play on them.) I hope these "PSAs" aren't going to become a trend. (Also, I'm not saying any of this because I'm in favor of their servers. I'm not in the KSG group, I don't think I've ever played on their servers, not recently, anyway, and I rarely play on a server that isn't in my favorites or a random Valve server.) All and all, if you don't like a server, Blacklist it. Don't mind telling other people to avoid them unless they fuck with your computer or something.

Edit: Could somebody that downvoted me tell me why you did?

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  • Nordvargr
  • 2 Points
  • 07:39:57, 15 August

I'm not sure what your intended meaning of 'group' is.

There are plenty of great TF2 server communities that expand to 2-4 servers due to popularity; although less of late I'd say. I think if one were to make a rule of thumb it would be if the server brand/group/whatever is running 10+ servers then mass-blacklisting them probably wouldn't be a bad idea. TF2 pub communities just don't get that big, and no one is paying for $200+ of servers a month without getting more back in the form of forced ads or some other scheme.

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  • Bluuper
  • 3 Points
  • 08:40:48, 15 August

I was joking about the group thing, it's just people have been saying "avoid _____ servers" recently.

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  • Defenestration2
  • -1 Points
  • 13:54:46, 15 August

Why the fuck would you spend a bunch of stolen money on a psychic? I've been invited to them, but never had any interest, I liked their servers, but that was really the extent of my interest in them. I do believe they were the group that had the nice Dota 2 kill announcers, but I could be wrong. Damn shame the guy in charge is such an asshole.

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  • jifwu
  • -26 Points
  • 03:54:13, 15 August

lolololololol