With the recent news, TotalBiscuit to consider moving away from casting SC2. (Basically, no NA events to cast, so no point) (twitter.com)

starcraft

212 ups - 59 downs = 153 votes

278 comments submitted at 16:24:15 on Aug 8, 2013 by Magnious

  • [-]
  • Scrabo
  • 38 Points
  • 16:30:15, 8 August

WCS NA has 4 in-house casters plus Day9 and Husky down the road.

There isn't much else for him apart from Blizzcon since he can't leave the US easily.

edit - there is IEM New York as well in a couple of months.

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  • isengr1m
  • 23 Points
  • 16:35:29, 8 August

And Blizzard will obviously use their WCS casters for Blizzcon, presumably Tastosis, Day9 and Apollo.

Which is a good thing. I like TB a lot but he isn't a top tier SC2 caster.

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  • FlukyS
  • 1 Points
  • 18:49:19, 8 August

Actually not just 4 in house caters they also have 3 more from Blizzard themselves that used to work at IPL. Actually im surprised that NASL even got the gig in the first place since the Blizzard crowd could have done it internally.

  • [-]
  • weealex
  • -1 Points
  • 17:10:24, 8 August

TB should be a US citizen now. Why is it hard for him to leave the US?

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  • Arvendilin
  • -3 Points
  • 17:21:42, 8 August

i think he never applied for citizenship i remember a tweet where he said that he wants to keep English citizenship so if shit goes down here ( he is not too pleased with a few government desicions like uhm not carin about human rights and stuff :D ) he can easily go back, maybe that was on the TGS- now cooptional- podcast tho instead of twitter not tooo tooo sure :D

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  • daringpooplord
  • 1 Points
  • 18:31:26, 8 August

My suspicion is that it is for tax reasons. The US taxes based on citizenship not residency, so if he went back to the UK he would still be liable for US taxes if he was a citizen.

  • [-]
  • Arvendilin
  • 1 Points
  • 18:36:30, 8 August

yea that sounds reasonable :D

  • [-]
  • HymirTheDarkOne
  • 1 Points
  • 18:51:25, 8 August

Does the UK not also base tax on citizenship not residency?

  • [-]
  • Davkaus
  • 1 Points
  • 19:08:54, 8 August

No.

UK citizens based outside the country do not pay UK tax on their income. The only exception is if they keep making money in the UK, so if I move to France but keep a savings account in the UK, I'd still pay tax on the savings account, but not my French salary.

As far as I know, America is the only country in the world to tax its citizens for money earned abroad. I remember reading something similar during the London Olympics. The USA was the only country to tax its Olympians.

  • [-]
  • Jexlz
  • 2 Points
  • 17:55:02, 8 August

He hates flying.

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  • writesinlowercase
  • 1 Points
  • 17:34:20, 8 August

does england not allow dual citizenship? the us certainly does.

  • [-]
  • benevolentcaesar
  • 2 Points
  • 17:45:49, 8 August

I'm a citizen of both the UK (England) and the US. Passports for both. So yeah, England does allow it. However, I think TB has said he has no interest in going through the process of becoming a US citizen.

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  • writesinlowercase
  • 1 Points
  • 17:47:23, 8 August

that's fair enough, his choices are his own, i'm just pointing out the above statement that he wants to keep his citizenship in case something goes down is irrelevant because he can get one without losing the other.

  • [-]
  • TorteDeWeenie
  • 1 Points
  • 18:16:08, 8 August

He's right. I am a citizen of Switzerland, the US (born) and Canada and can maintain all of them.

To maintain your American citizenship means filing taxes every year which fucking blows even if you earn nothing lol

  • [-]
  • Davkaus
  • 1 Points
  • 19:11:38, 8 August

Why would he want to become a US citizen?

He'd have to keep paying tax on his income from outside the US.

  • [-]
  • Arvendilin
  • -1 Points
  • 17:39:21, 8 August

Im not sure im from germany and thats just what i heard him say like 5 months ago :D

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  • writesinlowercase
  • 2 Points
  • 17:50:23, 8 August

i'm fairly certain he wouldn't lose his citizenship while obtaining a us citizenship. someone else said that he doesn't want to go through the process which is fine, but it's not because he would lose his british citizenship.

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  • achoros
  • 1 Points
  • 19:09:02, 8 August

He might think he'd lose his British citizenship if he hasn't done enough research. For a foreign national to become a US citizen they're required to renounce any prior citizenship. However, some countries, including the UK, only recognize certain ways of renouncing citizenship, so he could renounce it in a way that the US accepts, but so that UK still considers him a citizen. If he hasn't looked into what it takes to actually lose UK citizenship though, US law makes it appear that he'd be giving up his old citizenship.

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  • Arvendilin
  • 1 Points
  • 17:55:20, 8 August

ok i stand corrected but ireally thought that he made a joke about fleein to the uk when america starts killing of its own citizens and for that not gettin us citizenship on twitter or TGS podcast!

  • [-]
  • DavidCameronPM
  • -8 Points
  • 17:47:58, 8 August

Stop calling the UK England you fucking stereotypes.

  • [-]
  • Monifix
  • 0 Points
  • 17:34:41, 8 August

Smart man.

Edit: Not that europe is much better at protecting freedom sadly...

  • [-]
  • heyf00L
  • 1 Points
  • 18:36:16, 8 August

That's not why. England is much more of a nanny-state than the US is.

  • [-]
  • Davkaus
  • 1 Points
  • 19:12:09, 8 August

At least British citizens don't seek asylum in fucking Russia.

  • [-]
  • Arvendilin
  • 1 Points
  • 18:44:03, 8 August

yea i kno :P they like their cameras dont they :D well somethings of a nanny-state are good like social saftynet helpin the elderly lookin out for children :P its just when ur kids get older u cant keep watching over them all the time and certainly cant search in their private stuff to see if they do anything from like date the wrong guy/girl!! (just for people that dont understand its a joke! and a comparison between nanny-states and nannys/parents ) :D

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  • arkain123
  • 23 Points
  • 17:23:27, 8 August

I think it's very important we treat every TB tweet as seriously as possible, since he's not prone to just blurt out exaggerations when he's emotional

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  • zeromussc
  • 54 Points
  • 16:31:02, 8 August

Now Now. Let's relax, TB can get pretty emotional and he hasn't made a full decision. He loves his Axiom guys , loves the game, and loves casting. Its entirely possible that he won't leave :P So relax. He also posted a tweet about seeing what the coming months might bring. It could just be that living in the US is bad for him since less live NA events. But with the San Fran NA esports scene starting up with NASL/ team houses we can't say for sure that we won't see something in the pipe for NA.

I think the most harmful thing is the WCS broadcast rules. I mean SC2L plays at ridiculous times and irregularly because of it :P

  • [-]
  • drdoalot
  • 28 Points
  • 16:35:20, 8 August

He didn't say anything about leaving the scene altogether, I assume it'd take more than this to get him (and Genna of course) to drop Axiom. Too much time, money and passion invested, and so far it's going well.

I assume he's just talking about moving away from SC2 as far as his own content production goes (which is 90% of his time), and casting specifically. Since there's not much left for him to cast, however, it's more of something that's being forced upon him than a decision he can make. If he wanted to cast something, he'd have to proactively organise it himself.

  • [-]
  • Uncle_Spam
  • 6 Points
  • 17:35:01, 8 August

"investment" implies they are realistically thinking they can get any of that back, they admitted they aren't in Axiom for a profit and are basically just sugardaddying a bunch of Koreans. Which is cool honestly because Koreans don't get suggardaddied nearly enough.

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  • zeromussc
  • 2 Points
  • 17:27:26, 8 August

Of course, but just pointing out no one needs to start freaking out about TB right now. Keep in mind we are on reddit.

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  • jiubling
  • 7 Points
  • 16:38:08, 8 August

I don't really understand why he has to make a decision at all. If there are no events he doesn't have to officially retire from casting, he can wait for a Canadian DH or IEM New York or maybe MLG does an sc2 event sometime, or maybe he casts Blizzcon. If nothing comes he just keeps on doing what he does already.

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  • Kerbrar
  • 4 Points
  • 16:53:16, 8 August

This way it makes a bit of a splash and draws attention to the problem, maybe, just maybe, Blizzard listens this time.

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 5 Points
  • 16:57:18, 8 August

And does what? Gives MLG money to keep doing Starcraft?

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 4 Points
  • 17:12:11, 8 August

Perhaps ease up a bit on the "not allowed to comepte with WCS and we're on all the time" policy

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 4 Points
  • 17:14:17, 8 August

WCS isn't on weekends unless its season finals so MLG should be in the clear in that respect.

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:21:53, 8 August

Fair enough, then perhaps do an actual effort to help grow the NA scene like they claim they want to, and I truly belive that having crowd drawing offline events is essential in this

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 3 Points
  • 17:30:08, 8 August

So what are you expecting Blizz would do? Give money to MLG to continue to cover Starcraft?

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  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:42:55, 8 August

Nope, but you really want me to say that or why are you so hell bent on suggesting it?

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 1 Points
  • 17:47:19, 8 August

haha, hell bent is pretty dramatic. I'm just wondering what you expect Blizz should/would do about this? Or why you think TB would try and leverage the community against Blizzard by announcing his retirement for casting.

TBH that sounds super far fetched to me so I'm just curious what you had in mind.

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  • c_hero
  • 2 Points
  • 16:55:39, 8 August

counting on Blizzard to make the right decision in any manner remotely resembling timely is asking too much of them

source: everything that has happened last three years

  • [-]
  • BaconKnight
  • 1 Points
  • 18:01:55, 8 August

After having moved onto a bunch of F2P games (yes, gasp!), just to try out, it now boggles my mind even more how comically slow Blizzard is to implement changes. You can see this in their Starcraft and Diablo franchises.

Say what you will about F2P but the vast majority of them I've noticed will fix problems perceived by the community FAST. Like within a couple days for minor problems, usually 2-3 weeks for major patch fixes. Compare that to molasses like speed Blizzard moves at to give the game features the community have been asking for forever.

Of course I'm not suggesting these companies are doing this out of the kindness of their heart. Their business model is predicated on having as large a playerbase as possible, to get the largest conversion of players to becoming paying players for their game. So they aim to please please please.

However that also brings up the sad fact that the reason why Blizzard doesn't have to put such a high priority on these type of changes is because their isn't as much monetary incentive. They already got our money. Busting their ass over the game doesn't directly benefit them so that's why it's on their backburner and we're hit with "We are discussing that..." so many times.

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  • DOWNVOTE_OR_NEW_ACCT
  • 2 Points
  • 18:17:29, 8 August

he also loves your mom

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  • Xenocider
  • 30 Points
  • 16:30:17, 8 August

Prob also true for basically every amateur player at the moment in NA KomA, Illusion, Theo, Maker, have all gone to LoL illusion playing a few games per month sometimes. That's just the NA T, I don't even know who to practice with anymore.. QXC is the only one that's left and we play on EU.

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  • esoterikk
  • 5 Points
  • 16:54:29, 8 August

Can you blame them though? There is nothing in NA and starcraft has probably the worst top down system of any game out there

  • [-]
  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 10 Points
  • 17:16:44, 8 August

It's really fun realizing that I've literally wasted years of my life for no reason. Now I'm 3 years behind where I'm supposed to be because I made the fucking awful decision of trying to be a pro gamer. It was hard enough to keep that sliver of motivation when the NA scene constantly got fucked more and more, but now there is literally no point.

I hate every decision I've ever made.

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  • yoyoitsme
  • 6 Points
  • 17:35:07, 8 August

own3d

  • [-]
  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 0 Points
  • 17:41:38, 8 August

Basically.

  • [-]
  • dynamicvirus
  • 1 Points
  • 18:28:15, 8 August

Who are you?

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  • [deleted]
  • 1 Points
  • 18:38:29, 8 August

[deleted]

  • [-]
  • dynamicvirus
  • 1 Points
  • 18:41:55, 8 August

I was asking because he said he spent three years trying to be a progamer.

  • [-]
  • BaconKnight
  • 1 Points
  • 18:08:51, 8 August

Sorry to hear you regret your decision so much. Can totally understand why you'd feel that way though, the way you write it.

Always kinda thought, even back during the "golden age" of SC2 competitive scene that all the "Ned Flanders" super positive gung ho Redditors telling people asking here, "Should I try to go pro?" that they should and fuck all the haters were kinda full of shit.

Yeah, it's easy to encourage someone to make such a life altering decision when all you see is happy rainbows and don't have to deal with the consequences. Your post here should be one I think all of those people should read, just to see how it affects real people.

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  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 1 Points
  • 18:24:56, 8 August

I think the worst part was that a lot of failing was out of my hands, then you get to watch people that called you a faggot on ladder get on teams or get sponsorships and cast tournaments because making a career in esports is 100% luck.

There were even a ton of times where I felt I was super close to actually breaking that success barrier. I had fairly good connections to pro teams too.

But being a pro in NA fucking sucks. People either hate each other too much to practice, or care too much about ladder to do customs. So you're stuck in this infinite loop of laddering for 8 hours, learning nothing, and ending your day with 20 people calling you a nigger and nothing to show for any of the work you put in.

Fuck, even the NA tournaments we did have, the ones that fucking idiots would always say to do to get noticed, were filled with AMAZING Koreans. Sure, I could play all day, but is my basement laddering even comparable to a Korean that spend 12 hours a day playing in a pro house?

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  • iSanddbox
  • 1 Points
  • 18:25:06, 8 August

Indeed. The scene 1-2 years ago was obnoxiously always-follow-your-dreams-esque. I will say, though, that trying to "go pro" at a high masters level is a guaranteed recipe for failure.

  • [-]
  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 1 Points
  • 18:26:57, 8 August

At least I met you <3

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  • iSanddbox
  • 1 Points
  • 18:29:43, 8 August

<3 The irony is that I'm finally starting to play again...

  • [-]
  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 1 Points
  • 18:32:32, 8 August

I was! I even looked at the login screen for 30 seconds last night.

  • [-]
  • iSanddbox
  • 1 Points
  • 18:34:24, 8 August

dat login anxiety

  • [-]
  • Glurky_Spurk
  • 1 Points
  • 18:35:38, 8 August

I'm mentally a pro but my login level is bronze.

  • [-]
  • Davkaus
  • 1 Points
  • 19:13:49, 8 August

Bad call, get back in to school.

eSports is not a career, even if you're truly world class, it's not a career that can fund the rest of your life like some major traditional sports can, you need something you can do afterwards. Investing your life in to a game is fucking crazy.

  • [-]
  • RiSkysc2
  • 5 Points
  • 16:32:55, 8 August

Theo didnt go to LoL did he? o.o Illusion still plays sc2.

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  • Xenocider
  • 8 Points
  • 16:35:15, 8 August

ah sorry Theo went back to school and Illusion doesn't play any SC2, he's only played a few games recently while on KomA's old acct CarrotTop.

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  • RiSkysc2
  • 1 Points
  • 16:41:00, 8 August

Interesting. That's a real damn shame.

  • [-]
  • dv0rakftw
  • 0 Points
  • 18:13:30, 8 August

Call avilo

  • [-]
  • ShinyPogs
  • 4 Points
  • 17:54:09, 8 August

:( I only learned about starcraft 2 through stumbling onto some of TB's casts of it while browsing his channel for his amnesia playthrough. He and Apollo were one of my fav casting pairs for a long time since TB brought the fun and Apollo the knowledge. I tend to follow mainly the GSL, and proleague now but I haven't forgotten who got me interested in the game ( and by association broodwar in it's last few years).

Watching the NA scene crumble hurts more than I thought it would.

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  • Doompriest
  • 13 Points
  • 16:55:55, 8 August

At this point, we'll go back to the state of SC1 where the only "real" scene was in Korea but now we'll have the addition of Europe/taiwan/china who with the recent WCS results are proving that their skill gap with the koreans isn't too big.

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  • RavensAreAwesome
  • 6 Points
  • 17:45:24, 8 August

except broodwar was the main esports in korea. sc2 in korea is very small compared to lol

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  • 903530986709239856
  • 1 Points
  • 19:11:58, 8 August

SC2 in Korea is not long for this world.

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  • NearPup
  • -1 Points
  • 17:10:35, 8 August

Recent results? The top tier Koreans don't really compete with foreigners anymore. KeSPA players and the eSF players that have been doing well recently don't travel all that often, if at all.

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  • TheHonStephenHarper
  • 0 Points
  • 18:08:47, 8 August

They've shown that they can compete with Code A Koreans. Just to go with this season's WCS EU results so far, ForGG isn't exactly what anybody would call a top Korean, duckdeok has been in Code S once and got knocked out in the Ro32 (and that was before HotS), MMA has only lost a set to Naniwa (who is Code S level when he's on his game), while MVP and MC seem to be amazing players at one tournament and then performing incredibly badly (in comparison) the next. I'm pretty sure only MVP when he's playing well and maybe MMA could even hope to get to the Ro16 in the current Code S.

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  • Gumbi1012
  • 1 Points
  • 18:32:27, 8 August

Don't push it. Naniwa is playing like a boss right now. At his absolute tip-top, he is Code S level. I'm not quite sure he's there yet. But clearly he has that potential (as has been demonstrated before).

If you meant MMA in that comment. No. Not a hope. He hasn't olayed consistently well in a looong time. MC hasn't performed fantastically recently either. He's always been consistently good, but IMO hasn't been tip-top level for quite a while now.

  • [-]
  • skyflyfish
  • 9 Points
  • 16:48:36, 8 August

what a day, IM lost lg, no sc2 at mlg, leenock lost up/down, no life/leenock in code S and this, i need a beer and hug

  • [-]
  • Flowny
  • 0 Points
  • 18:02:54, 8 August

/hug

  • [-]
  • rabidchinchilla2
  • 0 Points
  • 18:12:04, 8 August

/beer

  • [-]
  • leesports
  • 5 Points
  • 17:31:17, 8 August

It's going to be funny when (if) Starnation is released. It'll be like if a documentary on Blockbuster's amazing business model comes out next month.

  • [-]
  • AndyOniyate
  • 1 Points
  • 17:40:36, 8 August

I want my $90 back =/

  • [-]
  • murphzor
  • 6 Points
  • 16:34:34, 8 August

Bad timing, this just adds to the cascade of negativity. Statements like this shouldn't be made in the heat in the moment, risks making things worse.

That said it does look really bad for NA. Blizzard needs to something for NA specifically and something really big.

  • [-]
  • TotalBiscuit
  • 57 Points
  • 16:37:36, 8 August

It's not my responsibility to claim the scene is healthy when it isn't, or claim I'm super hyped to continue to casting for it when I'm not.

There are no NA events to cast. Pretty much did this for the roar of the crowd and outside of Blizzcon that pretty much no longer exists. So hey.

  • [-]
  • BloodCovenent
  • 13 Points
  • 16:58:50, 8 August

So when do you start casting Dota 2? =D

  • [-]
  • Dattish
  • 5 Points
  • 17:32:20, 8 August

Cast? he's attending TI4 with Kaipi. #roadtoti4

  • [-]
  • BloodCovenent
  • 2 Points
  • 17:34:00, 8 August

Man, I can't wait till TI4, I plan on requesting off that whole week to watch.

  • [-]
  • AllYourBase3
  • 3 Points
  • 17:45:31, 8 August

dear god no

  • [-]
  • MetastableToChaos
  • 3 Points
  • 17:03:55, 8 August

TOO SOON

  • [-]
  • BloodCovenent
  • 4 Points
  • 17:12:07, 8 August

Hardly! He just tweeted that he thinks Dota 2 will be more popular that LoL in a year or two. Why not jump on that wagon now while he's got a ton of support from disgruntled esports enthusiasts.

  • [-]
  • Larius
  • 1 Points
  • 17:22:01, 8 August

The dota2 caster lineup is pretty much full tho.

  • [-]
  • BloodCovenent
  • 3 Points
  • 17:30:17, 8 August

shhhh.......

  • [-]
  • Thinkiknoweverything
  • -3 Points
  • 17:33:20, 8 August

lol, no its not. Very few of the dota 2 casters have much of anything going for them excluding Tobi. None of them are very memorable, no personality, awkward pre/post game hosting, poor sense of humor and not much of a fan following. I could EASILY see some of the big sc2 casters replacing the weaker, less well-rounded dota casters. I could really see great synergy between Tobi and any of the big sc2 guys. Could you IMAGINE a TobiBiscuit or Tobipollo cast? Would be magnificent.

  • [-]
  • NeoDestiny
  • 68 Points
  • 17:05:30, 8 August

Your negativity is disgusting. People like you are the reason the scene is falling apart.

  • [-]
  • Gatesleeper
  • 17 Points
  • 17:13:58, 8 August

Kappa.

  • [-]
  • Gumbi1012
  • 1 Points
  • 18:34:36, 8 August

Can you please explain to me what Kappa means (the Internet slang, not the Japanese folklore creature) and to use it? I've been wondering this for a while now :P

  • [-]
  • Karupika
  • 1 Points
  • 18:58:02, 8 August

Try writing Kappa in twitch chat and you will see.

  • [-]
  • brofistt
  • 1 Points
  • 19:02:11, 8 August

Kappa

  • [-]
  • RedheadRapscallion
  • 12 Points
  • 17:19:27, 8 August

pssst People, its ironic.

  • [-]
  • iKnife
  • 1 Points
  • 18:58:57, 8 August

Not people to you, who jumped ship to LoL because the numbers were bigger there? lmao?

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  • 903530986709239856
  • 1 Points
  • 19:13:26, 8 August

YOU TRIED TO SAVE US DESTINY

YOU TRIED TO WARN US

IF ONLY WE LISTENED

  • [-]
  • Monifix
  • 1 Points
  • 17:18:25, 8 August

People always shoot the messenger, despite that saying.

  • [-]
  • Itsragetiem
  • -1 Points
  • 17:36:35, 8 August

Hhehehe

  • [-]
  • redeyealien
  • -1 Points
  • 17:17:39, 8 August

the glue is under the table.

  • [-]
  • Bap1811
  • -3 Points
  • 17:09:47, 8 August

<3

  • [-]
  • Sutekhy
  • 1 Points
  • 18:19:07, 8 August

> or it when I'm not. > There are no NA events to cast. Pretty much did this for the roar of the crowd and outside of Blizzcon that pretty much no longer exists. So hey.

www.dota2.com

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  • dcskins88
  • 1 Points
  • 18:53:02, 8 August

Then get the fuck out and be done with it. You're obviously not making any money so what's the point?

You're talented and have a wide range of gaming knowledge, I'm sure some community will find use for your shout casting and rampant cynicism.

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  • AzurewynD
  • 1 Points
  • 17:23:31, 8 August

> It's not my responsibility to claim the scene is healthy when it isn't, or claim I'm super hyped to continue to casting for it when I'm not. > There are no NA events to cast. Pretty much did this for the roar of the crowd and outside of Blizzcon that pretty much no longer exists. So hey.

Thank you for being honest. I feel like we could use some more of that right now from other major personalities.

  • [-]
  • SuperiorHurter
  • -11 Points
  • 16:41:23, 8 August

Can you please stay away from Dota2... PLEASE.

  • [-]
  • TotalBiscuit
  • 15 Points
  • 16:43:26, 8 August

When will you idiot trolls learn. If you act like this, I'm more likely to do it solely to piss you off. Unless this is reverse psychology....

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  • Zebracak3s
  • 2 Points
  • 17:09:42, 8 August

I enjoy your commentary.. so don't do Dota 2 you silly kangaroo riding, tea drinking, scone licking poo face!

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  • Glothus
  • 2 Points
  • 17:11:14, 8 August

Oh yeah we dont totally want you in the dota community

^^^^^Lies ^^^^^we ^^^^^are ^^^^^waiting ^^^^^you ^^^^^with ^^^^^open ^^^^^arms

  • [-]
  • ReadsSmallTextBot
  • 0 Points
  • 17:11:35, 8 August

>Lies

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  • 5f74726f6c6c5f2
  • 3 Points
  • 17:14:44, 8 August

Ok, now I have no idea what the real idea was.

  • [-]
  • Glothus
  • 1 Points
  • 18:36:45, 8 August

worry not, this bot is always stalking me and causing confusion im used to it

  • [-]
  • wagnerwork
  • 2 Points
  • 16:45:20, 8 August

I'd prefer you went to DotA2. I really enjoyed your videos with Purge.

  • [-]
  • magicsarap
  • -1 Points
  • 16:46:35, 8 August

please continue casting.

  • [-]
  • spritums
  • 0 Points
  • 18:00:12, 8 August

Or get this...They actually mean it.

  • [-]
  • TotalBiscuit
  • 1 Points
  • 18:18:27, 8 August

But that doesn't do anything. They have no actual power or influence.

  • [-]
  • SuperiorHurter
  • 0 Points
  • 18:12:48, 8 August

I asked nicely.....

  • [-]
  • Alexwzy
  • 3 Points
  • 16:46:50, 8 August

Why? Dota is a fun game and a lot of us would like him here(when I say a lot, I say 99% I don't even know why you wouldn't want him). I hope SC2 fixes up a bit though, since I enjoy both of the games a lot.

  • [-]
  • Phlash_
  • 1 Points
  • 16:45:37, 8 August

I'm curious to know why you want him to stop doing dota content, enlighten me.

  • [-]
  • 5f74726f6c6c5f2
  • -3 Points
  • 17:13:10, 8 August

Sometimes it seems like the only difference between TB and the average troll is that TB was in the right spot at the right time and made some money.

  • [-]
  • Reefpirate
  • 0 Points
  • 17:16:14, 8 August

You could always wait a day or two to make a statement like this...

  • [-]
  • spritums
  • -5 Points
  • 17:10:34, 8 August

You don't have to claim shit. If you don't want to cast, then don't cast. Every time there is something announced you're just there piggy backing it for exposure.

It's sad that you have such a huge fan base, because you're nothing but a money monger.

No passion, just a paycheck.

  • [-]
  • Flowny
  • 2 Points
  • 18:01:50, 8 August

Think about this, big events have the best casters, Apollo, Day9 Tastetosis etc aka TB just isn't good enough and how gets mad for no events in NA? Lol'd.. there is enough stuff in NA. Btw Day9 is casting daily (talking about the daily shows he does on his twitch etc not tournaments ofc) for no paycheck (there are donations ofc). So what the fuck? You're right. I hope people won't downvote you because of saying something that requires balls and not being a big ball licking fanboy.

  • [-]
  • AndyOniyate
  • -2 Points
  • 17:36:32, 8 August

SC2 is dead. I hope to see you in DotA2.

  • [-]
  • lllIIIlIlIlIlIlI
  • 1 Points
  • 18:55:58, 8 August

Destiny is right. Shut the fuck up, TotalBiscuit. Stop being a negative, emotional little bitch. The NA scene doesn't need that.

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • -2 Points
  • 16:44:06, 8 August

You don't think there will be a crowd at the WCS AM Season Finals?

  • [-]
  • kaffe_och_bullar
  • 8 Points
  • 16:50:39, 8 August

I'd guess you can bundle those finals with "Blizzcon" in his statement. They're pretty much the same thing regarding casting.

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 1 Points
  • 16:53:46, 8 August

Right. I guess he doesn't think he can get a job at WCS AM Season Finals or Blizzcon? Otherwise I don't see a reason to announce retirement, if you just mean you will be doing less work.

  • [-]
  • MetastableToChaos
  • 5 Points
  • 16:28:16, 8 August

He also mentioned SC2 is a huge money sink for him (I remember recently he said he's put in $100,000 into SC2) and that the main payoff for him is casting live events. It would really suck to not see him cast anymore.

  • [-]
  • Markus_E-bear
  • 6 Points
  • 16:55:21, 8 August

I think he said that he actually looses money when he goes to cast because he doesn't put up youtube videos when he is traveling and stuff. He just does it because he loves it.

  • [-]
  • MetastableToChaos
  • 1 Points
  • 16:56:01, 8 August

Yup, that too.

  • [-]
  • Th3W1ck3dW1tch
  • 4 Points
  • 16:31:28, 8 August

This is REALLY bad news. Say what you want about TB's personality, demeanor, play or, casting. This guy does a huge amount for the SC2 scene. A lot of people are leaving but this is sure to cause huge ripples behind the scenes.

  • [-]
  • jiubling
  • 9 Points
  • 16:40:29, 8 August

This is just casting... Nothing else.

  • [-]
  • Th3W1ck3dW1tch
  • 2 Points
  • 16:45:05, 8 August

Yeah, you are right. Read that a bit fast, nvm.

  • [-]
  • rif_king
  • 3 Points
  • 16:50:38, 8 August

Who was it that threw a shit fit about the community thinking they were more valuable than they are, because people like TB were the content creators and the ones putting on the show again?

  • [-]
  • kelsierSC
  • 3 Points
  • 17:21:50, 8 August

I guess we will just have to make do with Tastosis, Bitterdam, Day9, Husky, Gretorp, Frodan, Apollo, Kaelaris, Nathanias, Incontrol, Idra....how will we cope. Sorry to anyone else I missed

  • [-]
  • Highblade
  • 3 Points
  • 16:46:32, 8 August

Jesus christ, by the looks of this subreddit today you'd think the Starcraft Sky is falling. Calm the fuck down people before there's another #SAVEHOTS movement.

  • [-]
  • MisterMetal
  • 9 Points
  • 17:06:36, 8 August

well it hasnt exactly been a good day for sc2 related news.

  • [-]
  • DavidCameronPM
  • 2 Points
  • 17:56:26, 8 August

>by the looks of this subreddit today

Every time I've looked at screddit for the past few months another NA player has retired, or another organization has backed out of the scene.

  • [-]
  • AzurewynD
  • 1 Points
  • 17:22:06, 8 August

I'm surprised that hasn't already happened to be honest. Be thankful, the response is actually fairly tame.

  • [-]
  • 5f74726f6c6c5f2
  • 6 Points
  • 17:24:08, 8 August

That's because nobody cares about dead games ...

runs to the hills

  • [-]
  • dynamicvirus
  • 1 Points
  • 18:34:33, 8 August

blows up your hill

  • [-]
  • FlEIA
  • 1 Points
  • 17:03:23, 8 August

I feel like all of you guys are taking his tweet too seriously. He did not say he will leave the SC2 scene, nor did he mention dropping Axiom. He just said that the opportunity to cast in NA for him is not looking bright.

  • [-]
  • AndyOniyate
  • 1 Points
  • 17:39:15, 8 August

You're drastically underplaying what he said.

  • [-]
  • dcskins88
  • 4 Points
  • 16:32:25, 8 August

I will truly miss his platinum level casting.

  • [-]
  • Bap1811
  • 1 Points
  • 17:13:39, 8 August

Top plat-low gm.

  • [-]
  • wAvelulz
  • 2 Points
  • 17:38:26, 8 August

Don't worry, husky is still here.

  • [-]
  • RavensAreAwesome
  • 3 Points
  • 17:52:59, 8 August

well husky seems to be slowly moving to lol because he too can see the ship is sinking

  • [-]
  • Rallerbabz
  • 1 Points
  • 17:32:56, 8 August

Am I the only one that feel like this could be some kind of joke/parady on Sundance's statement?

EDIT: Hmm, dunno, just read a couple of his tweets, might be wrong..

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  • The_BT
  • 1 Points
  • 18:36:47, 8 August

I thought one thing when I saw this news.

Fuck.

  • [-]
  • TweetPoster
  • 1 Points
  • 16:25:10, 8 August

@Totalbiscuit: >2013-08-08 16:19:28 UTC

>I think it's not hard to guess at this point that I'm considering moving on from SC2 casting-wise. No events, no point.


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  • [-]
  • AllYourBase3
  • -1 Points
  • 17:17:47, 8 August

Best news I've read all week

  • [-]
  • grudgeking
  • -1 Points
  • 17:24:30, 8 August

finally some good news

  • [-]
  • espektro
  • 2 Points
  • 17:17:04, 8 August

The only bad thing i see in this (sorry for the fans) is losing somehow some viewership that actually followed Totalbiscuit. Once again sorry but i never was a fan of his casting nor i actually think he should be side by side with guys like Apollo, Day9, kaelaris, etc. So besides that downside of losing viewers i actually like this quite alot!

  • [-]
  • DoSdnb
  • 1 Points
  • 18:24:27, 8 August

Seconded. His casting was pretty bad, he is better of focussing on other aspects of the sc2 scene.

  • [-]
  • EG_iNcontroLRC
  • 1 Points
  • 18:41:27, 8 August

I'm sorry I love TB and his wife a damn lot but announcing that you are thinking about not casting Sc2 any more is drama whoring. There is no contract with SC2. TB is free to cast whatever damn game he likes and always has been. In fact it's just bad business.. even if you make the conscious choice to "focus" on other games more and try casting said games you don't close an invisible door on a game that could still be casted/interacted with. Normally I'd keep my damn mouth shut because I am calling out someone I like/respect a lot but this was really really dumb.

I am sure the response will be "no, it wasn't! There is no more leagues for me to cast in the NA so I will move on! I don't want to pretend the NA scene is healthy!" The problem is FINE even if we grant you that those things are 100% true it isn't like announcing that you will possibly retire from casting SC2 does anything for anyone? The game ISN'T dead so why close off future opportunities? Like.. I can't even get beyond how dumb this is. The closest argument I could wrap my head around would be "if I announce it people won't ask me about it or expect it" but we ALL know that is a lie.. people will ask just as much AND I circle back to the "unless you HAVE to you should NEVER say 'I am done with X' because why the fuck would you ever burn a bridge?"

  • [-]
  • MAH_NIGGARD
  • 1 Points
  • 19:08:15, 8 August

> is drama whoring.

Possible. But then again, it's just twitter. TB's twitter even. > In fact it's just bad business..

Well, it gives him attention at least, and he gets to test the DotA-waters (considering his tweets are at the top of /r/dota2) too.

Not to mention this whole "negativity can cause change, while positivity only reinforces existing behavior"-thing.

  • [-]
  • Laszx
  • 0 Points
  • 18:04:27, 8 August

FUCK YEAH FINALLY GOOD RIDDANCE FATTY

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • -2 Points
  • 16:28:33, 8 August

He didn't really cast that much anyways except for an MLG now and then.

  • [-]
  • Magnious
  • 7 Points
  • 16:29:16, 8 August

And youtube videos, and his own NA events, and Dreamhack...

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • 4 Points
  • 16:31:40, 8 August

I don't think he means he'll stop doing Youtube content for SC2... As for his own NA events, the last were the Shoutcraft America tournament, which isn't going to happen again if I recall correctly. The last Dreamhack event he casted was a long time ago.

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 16:49:53, 8 August

Think his last overseas event was in 2011, but I may be mistaken

  • [-]
  • NearPup
  • 2 Points
  • 17:11:48, 8 August

Since TB has a green card travelling is a bit more delicate for him than it would have been before.

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:24:03, 8 August

I thought traveling had actually become easier now that he finally got is green card rather than before

  • [-]
  • NearPup
  • 1 Points
  • 17:30:25, 8 August

Travelling to the US specifically. The problem with a green card is that you can theoretically loos it if you spend too much time outside of the US.

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:40:02, 8 August

Well, that would require more that a couple of extended weekend trips a year (which is what we're talking about to be honest)

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • 1 Points
  • 16:57:05, 8 August

Might be true. And if it is, that's my point. Casters like Day9 doesn't hold back because the NA scene isn't as big as the EU scene. Day9 casts events like Iron Squid in France, and smaller tournaments like Redbull Training Grounds. TB shoul be looking to do the same if he wants to cast..

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:17:31, 8 August

Seeing as TB is doing the sc2 casting thing for shits and giggles rather than as a career, why should he travel to events overseas really. It's not like his liveliehood is dependant on sc2 casting

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • 2 Points
  • 17:19:09, 8 August

So why is it such a big loss as some people are implying?

  • [-]
  • Kerbrar
  • 1 Points
  • 17:25:52, 8 August

Because he is a quite popular community figure many (including fellow casters) like having casting at events?

  • [-]
  • drdoalot
  • 5 Points
  • 16:31:57, 8 August

probably because there's not that much else in NA to cast... which is the point he's making. Without MLG what else is there? NASL and IPL aren't things any more.

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • 0 Points
  • 16:34:26, 8 August

So what does Day9 do? That's right, he finds smaller events, like the Redbull Training grounds to cast. Also, streaming a lot

  • [-]
  • drdoalot
  • 6 Points
  • 16:39:55, 8 August

So what does Day9 do? Not a lot of casting really anymore, not compared to people like Khaldor, artosis, apollo etc... He does RBTG and a bit of WCS NA. TB isn't and probably has no desire to be associated with WCS NA and RBTG can only hire so many casters, they don't even have that many games and they're infrequent events. Day9 also has the luxury of being able to travel abroad far more easily than TB, because he has no family commitments.

Also, Day9 is far stuck into SC2 than TB. Not to take anything away from what TB does for the scene, but he also has tentacles in other games. It would be far more logical for TB to switch over to DotA 2 than Sean.

  • [-]
  • kedde1x
  • 2 Points
  • 16:47:16, 8 August

I don't think TB will leave the SC2 scene all together. He simply invested too much time and money into Axiom.

Day9 doesn't even travel much outside US, except for events like Iron Squid, etc... Other than that he does a lot of streaming, guest hosting for WCS, and smaller events such as RBTG.

Also, I think TB jumps to conclusions waaay too easy. This whole not SC2 at MLG thing might be forever, or it might just be because of Blizzcon being a couple of weeks before, or another reason that means it'll come back. Also remember, that there has been rumours about Dreamhack coming to US.

  • [-]
  • exeShakuras
  • 1 Points
  • 17:29:45, 8 August

I feel like TBs overreactions to any news like this does little to help scene stability, just seems to add to the hysteria everytime. That said it would be a real shame to lose him..

  • [-]
  • 129W81st
  • 1 Points
  • 17:30:28, 8 August

TB does so much for the SC2 scene. We need him to stay involved.

  • [-]
  • alex_bababu
  • 1 Points
  • 18:24:03, 8 August

I like... wont miss him

  • [-]
  • Sc2God
  • -10 Points
  • 16:47:46, 8 August

Please don't come to dota Please don't come to dota Please don't come to dota Please don't come to dota Please don't come to dota.

  • [-]
  • ETG_
  • 2 Points
  • 17:36:17, 8 August

Who knows with a bit of training he can become as good as Tobi Wan. lol

  • [-]
  • Echnaton_
  • -2 Points
  • 17:33:10, 8 August

he was always an attention whore pls go TotalBiscuit and stop crying about shit

  • [-]
  • Narwahlguy
  • -12 Points
  • 16:36:27, 8 August

Of course Totalbiscuit is one of the first to jump ship when the going gets tough. He hops from one thing to the next once he can't leech money off it any longer, just like he did with WoW.

edit: typo

  • [-]
  • VIPIrony
  • 1 Points
  • 16:57:19, 8 August

TB is a really bad moneymosquito, unless malaria is 100,000$. Edit: Gramma.

  • [-]
  • blacksmithwolf
  • -3 Points
  • 16:41:59, 8 August

leach money??. . he is by far the largest sponsor of a sc2 team. flights alone cost him over 10k this month.

sc2 is a money pit for him.

Even with the casting jobs he took he lost money by not making videos for his main channel during the events.

  • [-]
  • Aunvilgod
  • -2 Points
  • 16:56:56, 8 August

As long as he does not abandon ship to do DOTA...

  • [-]
  • AndyOniyate
  • 0 Points
  • 17:40:08, 8 August

Why? We'd love having him make DotA content.

  • [-]
  • tomastaz
  • 0 Points
  • 17:23:14, 8 August

Courtesy of Adebisi: #savetotalbiscuit

  • [-]
  • Sutekhy
  • 1 Points
  • 18:18:19, 8 August

www.dota2.com

  • [-]
  • aaav
  • 1 Points
  • 18:22:14, 8 August

but that game sucks.

  • [-]
  • Sutekhy
  • 1 Points
  • 18:29:30, 8 August

nuh uh

  • [-]
  • ShinsoEU
  • -2 Points
  • 18:03:47, 8 August

His casting wasn't good at all.

Almost no knowledge of the game, he over-hyped situations ingame where no hype was needed and the one that annoyed me in particular - when he started talking, he just couldn't shup ut, he didn't let his partner talk for minutes.

  • [-]
  • imthereal3377
  • -1 Points
  • 18:10:14, 8 August

Good.

  • [-]
  • Shaisortahuman
  • -3 Points
  • 17:00:17, 8 August

please keep him.

  • [-]
  • josiahlalala
  • 0 Points
  • 17:33:25, 8 August

There is a glut of events. There is more Starcraft events than I have time to watch. I like TB, but I have no idea what the hell he is talking about.

  • [-]
  • StormMind
  • -31 Points
  • 16:36:56, 8 August

SC2 dead. good too see that moneywhore go tho

  • [-]
  • TotalBiscuit
  • 22 Points
  • 16:39:15, 8 August

Pours over $100,000 into the scene

moneywhore

Well if I do leave I certainly won't miss people like you. That said if sticking around pisses off the parasites then I'm more likely to do it.

  • [-]
  • spritums
  • 0 Points
  • 18:03:25, 8 August

Because the money you 'poured' into the scene you did in hopes of a return.

So bringing up the amount of money you wasted just proves his point. Like I've said before, you have no passion, just want a check. It's sad to see someone like that so popular to idiots that find your pretentiousness entertaining.

  • [-]
  • NGC2467
  • 1 Points
  • 18:41:39, 8 August

2edgy4me

  • [-]
  • jurble
  • -12 Points
  • 16:32:11, 8 August

How can you move away from something that doesn't exist?