A discussion on appearance and why it's fucking important (in response to recent posts). (self.TheRedPill)

TheRedPill

197 ups - 30 downs = 167 votes

I've noticed that since the surge of new members, there has been this slow push-back against the idea that physical appearance is important when it comes to what women value.

Whether in threads or in posts, some members have been trying to argue that women don't value this, or at least not as much as status, wealth, charm, etc.

To me, it sounds like a watered down RP-version of "Looks don't matter, just be yourself!!!"

I'm not the most knowledgeable RPer but, in my reading the idea is that women want both but for different reasons. If hooking up is your game, you need a decent body in order to maximize success. If you want long-term it helps to have your shit together and be better than her most respects (money, occupation, admiration, etc).

Months ago, a constant theme of TRP was self-improvement through bodybuilding and sport. "Hit the gym" was the mantra of this subreddit but now, it seems to have been downplayed.

I've been working out since August of last year and it's been rewarding on so many levels; more energy, more confidence, more female attention, less bitchy behavior, more respect from my friends and even total strangers, not to mention the perks that follow all those things. I've had more sex in the past two months than I have in the previous four years. Sure, I dabbled in game but the tipping point didn't arrive until I got my fat ass in the gym.

To me, it's just insane that the prospect of building a better "you" is being downplayed or de-emphasized, especially when it has more intrinsic benefits than reading every thread, manual, and post on game.

Is all of this "looks aren't that important" talk just hamstering away the prospect of having to work, sweat, and ache for results or am I just fucking clueless here?

148 comments submitted at 04:52:25 on Feb 4, 2014 by InsanityManifest

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  • a_nus
  • 56 Points
  • 08:35:46, 4 February

For the ones on the heavy side, remember, the six pack is made in the kitchen. Just want to emphasize that since I see the word gym being thrown around so much in this subreddit but not too much about dieting.

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  • new_user_2
  • -14 Points
  • 15:30:54, 4 February

Hamstering bullshit. Six packs are earned mainly through core and ab exercises, which require hardwork and dedication, and of course you can't eat like shit to ruin all the progress you made.

You wouldn't say that you can diet your way to a 15" bicep. Six packs are developed muscles not a sign of weight loss.

E: I'm certain that you butthurt, downvoting idiots have no clue about the difference between abdominal muscles that exist in human beings and then a defined six pack you get through ab/core exercises.

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  • heist_of_saint_graft
  • 11 Points
  • 15:37:05, 4 February

True, but the six-pack isn't visible unless you can burn the belly fat to show it. That's the point he's making.

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  • new_user_2
  • 2 Points
  • 17:40:21, 4 February

Your six pack as everyone thinks is photo ready doesn't exist without abs and core exercises. The final step after developing the actual muscles is to lose weight to see them. But they are there as a result of sit ups and crunches, not happenstance from dropping bf%.

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  • QuantishaNiqua
  • 3 Points
  • 16:22:11, 4 February

This is how I know you don't work out. Work abs all you like, if your BF% is too high, no abs for you. Jesus this is basic fitness shit, who you tryn'a play?

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:36:08, 4 February

Derp body fat percentage has to be on point but you need to do core and ab exercises to get defined.

I know you don't work out nor do you have a six pack if you challenge this. I actually chiseled away my fat into one so I know it's more than rosy wishes about bf%.

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  • QuantishaNiqua
  • 1 Points
  • 17:56:21, 4 February

Wrong again. You can't chisel away fat either. You can't decide to lose fat around your midsection and then do ab/core exercises expecting the fat there to go away. And you keep saying the same thing over and over. No one disagrees that core/ab work leads to definition, but your assertion that losing body fat% is hamstering shows the breadth of your neckbeard.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:59:09, 4 February

I don't sport a beard and you chisel areas of your body with exercises. I don't believe you've ever exercised before outside of Sims 3 or whatever, but let's say you focus on biceps for a week, you're then chiseling your biceps like you chisel your abs with crunches. The chiseling is done with exercise, the losing weight uniformly allows you to have a better surface to see your chiseling on.

You confused yourself with my metaphor and now you're sorted.

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  • GirvoGiovanni
  • 5 Points
  • 15:39:51, 4 February

You're an idiot.

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  • new_user_2
  • 0 Points
  • 17:38:37, 4 February

You wouldn't dare say that to my face in person. Good work on your internet tough guy act.

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  • hawk8979
  • 0 Points
  • 17:49:25, 4 February

Shit you must be tough.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:52:59, 4 February

You're welcome to find out. I don't live in a mutual combat state but we can figure something out.

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  • hawk8979
  • 1 Points
  • 17:55:41, 4 February

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  • christiefrontdrive
  • 3 Points
  • 16:07:17, 4 February

Six packs are largely visible on most of us already, there's just some flub covering them. Therefore excercise and (mostly) dieting will reveal them. For the average man they become visible around roughly 12% body fat, regardless of how muscular you are.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:37:20, 4 February

Yeah they're visible like your forearm is visible with less fat on it. Your abs are still muscles that need exercises and nutrients to grow.

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  • kick6
  • 2 Points
  • 16:26:40, 4 February

Funny. I know several competitive bodybuilders who do ZERO core isolation exercses...

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  • YOLOSWAGDYEL
  • 2 Points
  • 16:32:54, 4 February

Because they do other exercises which work out the core like squats and deadlifts

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  • Cthulu2013
  • 1 Points
  • 16:58:08, 4 February

They don't "work" the core haha. In fact you will get fucked over as your squat progress if you don't have a strong enough core.

Ab roll, weighted situps, Russian twist, dragon flags

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:36:30, 4 February

Their stomachs look like shit then. Muscles need exercise not to atrophy.

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  • kick6
  • 0 Points
  • 17:48:47, 4 February

As was mentioned: they get enough work as part of compound exercises that isolation movements are unnecessary.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:53:57, 4 February

As was mentioned you just admitted they do core exercises. It doesn't matter which, just that they don't let their core atrophy as part of their workout regimen.

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  • hawk8979
  • 3 Points
  • 16:01:50, 4 February

Nah. Its about your diet and body fat for the six pack. You can be non-muscular as fuck and still have a six pack since you are skinny.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:37:49, 4 February

Does not one person here understand how muscles develop?

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  • hawk8979
  • 0 Points
  • 17:47:33, 4 February

I work out very hard, regularly and I eat fairly well, but I don't have a six pack. Why? Because of diet. You can stuff your fingers into your ears all you want, but i suggest you do some research. You can have a ridiculously strong core, but no six pack. A six pack is about having little to no fat between your skin and your abs. Use your head.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:51:21, 4 February

You might have a six pack but it's hidden under fat. The point is if you're skinny you don't have a magazine ready six pack that we agree is ideal, you just look like a malnourished dude. You need to develop your abdominal muscles into a "six pack" with exercises, and you can only see it with a low body fat percentage. Six packs come like big biceps come - repetition. This thread makes it seem like once you're skinny you'll have gym abs and that is complete horseshit.

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  • hawk8979
  • 0 Points
  • 17:54:33, 4 February

If you actually came off your crazy horse and read you'd see nothing was said about having 'gym abs'. A six pack is by definition being able to see your abdominal muscles.You can work out all day everyday, but if your diet is shit you won't have a six pack. You can not work out and eat the correct amount and have a six pack.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 17:56:28, 4 February

Lol not one person in their right mind thinks that a skinny stomach and six pack are interchangeable words. A six pack refers to developed, chiseled abdominals. You're backtracking now. We certainly weren't having a talk about being able to see the stomach, we're talking about what it takes to have impressive abs.

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  • hawk8979
  • 0 Points
  • 17:57:36, 4 February

No we are talking six pack. You're bad at this reading thing.

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  • new_user_2
  • 1 Points
  • 18:02:13, 4 February

Six pack and impressive abs are what I'm saying are the same (I.e. model abs, gym abs), whereas you say a six pack is equal to undeveloped abdominal muscles on someone with a low body fat percentage. I'm sure you get how stupid you sound by now.