"Nobody wants your mother fucking legal advice. Get the fuck out you mindless wannabe lawyer piece of fucking horse shit" and other helpful feedback in random threads after malachi23's cell phone post. Holy downvote brigades batman! (self.SubredditDrama)
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312 ups - 97 downs = 215 votes
Also, his/her comment history has been massively brigaded with downvotes. Every recent post, no matter what the topic.
258 comments submitted at 14:03:56 on Jan 23, 2014 by Toronto_account
I like how he got gilded 6 times for a complete bullshit comment.
OP was asking if he could legally refuse to hand over his phone: it's easy: he can't. But nope, "muh freedoms". Then /u/-evan decides to completely spin the debate about, indeed, the freedoms and other hilarious excuses:
>Requiring students to print a syllabus seems a bit silly to me. Why waste the paper? Minor point, doesn't matter, moving on...
No wait, a better option would be for the professor to actually print it himself into a nice book with a fancy-ass cover, and sell it for $70 a piece. But that asshole is willing to distribute his syllabus instead, so you'll need to print it for $5 or so. THAT EVIL BASTARD!!
>Requiring cell phones to be turned off during a class is nothing new. Having them placed in a phone box? That's a bit odd, at least to me. Continuing...
His classrooms, his rules. Cause you know, you can turn cellphones on again...
>So a major part of OP's beef with the Professor's rule was basic fucking security. Would you want to leave your phone partially unattended for an hour(or longer) in a box with 10+ other phones? Some of which might match the make-model of your own?
YEAH!!! Everyone knows stuff gets stolen in a classroom during a fucking class literally *all the time. I mean, who'd notice little Timmy sneaking off into the corner, rummaging around in that box to find himself a nice iPhone!
But what if you can't recognize your own phone??? Easy, turn it on and you'll kind of notice it if it's not yours...
>OP's post boils down to him NOT wanting to put his smartphone at risk of theft or damage by storing it an unattended cardboard box in the corner of a classroom.
Because we all know risk of theft or damage is huge in cases like this. You couldn't simply resolve this by, I don't know, placing the box behind the professor's desk? Naaah, mah freedoms!
>What? So he doesn't have the right to take this class, he just has the opportunity to take it? And one of the factors that opportunity hinges on is him paying for the class?
Yes you fuckstick, that's how the education system works: you pay someone for the right to attend a class, and you agree to follow the rules that professor lays out for you.
> In the real world, do employers require you to keep your smartphone in a special "cubby-hole" with everyone else's phone?
No, some of them simply restrict internet access and/or give you work cellphones to use.
>Lockers that can lock. Secure lockers.
Because a simple box behind the professor's desk is so terribly unsafe!!!!
>It's not unreasonable for your college professor to have a rule forbidding phones. Putting them all in a box, though? That seems a bit sketchy to me. Here's what I'd do if I was in your place:
And then follows a bunch of advice that isn't legal advice whatsoever. The kid came to /r/legaladvice asking advice about legal matters, and found out he legally couldn't do anything whatsoever.
>I don't know how "legal" his rule is, but screw legality. Your phone is your property. You are responsible for it, it's expensive to replace, don't put it at risk.
Oh and /u/-evan apparently forgot to mention this part of OP's post:
>I hate that schools can violate such basic rights, regardless of the precedence. I don't know if I need to listen to his silly rules because I'm his student or if I have any kind of rights to reasonable privacy as a student at all.
FUCK THE SYSTEM AND THEIR SILLY RULES. MUH PRIVACY!!!!!
Someone submit this to bestof!
Srd is banned from bestof for some reason.
Multiple levels of meta subreddits is like crossing the streams.
Submit it to bestof. Then submit the mod deletion and angry response to SRD. Season with links from smaller meta sphere subreddits to taste.
Crossing the streams is fine, just don't touch em together.
But I thought it was okay as long as you only touch tips.
One of those two. But NEVER look em in the eye.
I thought it was only meta if the balls touch?
You never make em touch man that's not cool!
Being banned from bestof is probably one of the best things that could happen to a subreddit, to be honest.
I'm incliined to agree. Though, most of us here are familiar with the various reddit circlejerks and can parody them.
Just seeing all the confused brigaders not knowing if they are being agreed with or mocked would be hilarious.
Now that's some commie bullshit.
Haha really? That's dumb.
QUICK, SOMEONE GOLD THIS SO IT LOOKS LIKE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I think you mean gold this six times
>>I don't know how "legal" his rule is, but screw legality. Your phone is your property. You are responsible for it, it's expensive to replace, don't put it at risk.
>posted in /r/legaladvice
I had the same thought. Here we have the crux of the argument and it has become clear that this person is too dense to recognize what sub they are even in.
The same guy who is too dense to realize that what the professor is doing is 100% legal?
I can't deal with how fucked up that thread is getting. The comment scores are absolutely absurd for the subreddit and show how strong the brigading power of bestof is. Now the subreddit is getting polluted with posts that aren't even legaladvice. Fuck bestof.
Listen, /u/Froghurt, just because you quote what someone says and then refute it doesn't make you the smartest guy in the room. #ENRON
Let me rebuttal your refutations to prove I'm the one with True Knowledge™ on this subject at hand.
>No wait, a better option would be for the professor to actually print it himself into a nice book with a fancy-ass cover, and sell it for $70 a piece. But that asshole is willing to distribute his syllabus instead, so you'll need to print it for $5 or so. THAT EVIL BASTARD!!
The instructor isn't just one who teaches, he's also a nurturer--a provider, if you will (and you have to). As a provider, in his bag of provisions should be syllabi for everyone in the class on 32 LB paper printed with the heaviest dutiest laser printer a teacher's salary can buy.
>His classrooms, his rules. Cause you know, you can turn cellphones on again...
It is the college's classroom, the instructor is just leasing it from the college. The college's rules supersede the instructors (think Federal vs. State vs. Local government) and in any case, the teacher cannot commit unlawful seizure of someone else's property. REMEMBER: Possession is Nine-Tenths of the law.
>YEAH!!! Everyone knows stuff gets stolen in a classroom during a fucking class literally *all the time. I mean, who'd notice little Timmy sneaking off into the corner, rummaging around in that box to find himself a nice iPhone!
This is entirely possible. I don't think the original poster ever said if there were black people or Mexicans in the class. Everyone knows that the more minorities in a class, the higher the chance of personal property to get stolen. Y'know because statistics about minorities and crimes and such.
>Because we all know risk of theft or damage is huge in cases like this. You couldn't simply resolve this by, I don't know, placing the box behind the professor's desk? Naaah, mah freedoms!
The teacher taking possession of the phone is the problem, along with any potential thieving minorities in the class. A minority would have no qualms breaking boundaries by jumping behind a professor's desk and rummaging through things.
>Yes you fuckstick, that's how the education system works: you pay someone for the right to attend a class, and you agree to follow the rules that professor lays out for you.
If I pay someone I expect them to do as I wish. Like when I tell my gardner how high to cut the grass, or the employees at Burger King how to make my burger. Have it my way is the official slogan of employers everywhere!
>No, some of them simply restrict internet access and/or give you work cellphones to use.
As such should be the case. If I'm being paid, I can be told what to do. This is reasonable.
>Because a simple box behind the professor's desk is so terribly unsafe!!!!
I've already addressed this issue with minorities and boundaries above.
>And then follows a bunch of advice that isn't legal advice whatsoever. The kid came to /r/legaladvice[2] asking advice about legal matters, and found out he legally couldn't do anything whatsoever.
Legally, maybe not. But he can complain until his parents gets involved and the professor must backpedal because the administration doesn't want to hear it anymore.
>FUCK THE SYSTEM AND THEIR SILLY RULES. MUH PRIVACY!!!!!
Indeed. If we don't have freeze peach and privacy then what do we have?! We're practically literal slaves without it.
This is way too long of a post to jokingly respond to a joke post...
my brain hurts
Oh good, I'm not alone.
>As a provider, in his bag of provisions should be syllabi for everyone in the class on 32 LB paper printed with the heaviest dutiest laser printer a teacher's salary can buy.
Do you honestly believe if he provided you with the syllabi they'd somehow be free? Of course not, the school would take a profit margin. Letting you print it yourself is the cheapest way possible.
>It is the college's classroom, the instructor is just leasing it from the college. The college's rules supersede the instructors (think Federal vs. State vs. Local government) and in any case, the teacher cannot commit unlawful seizure of someone else's property. REMEMBER: Possession is Nine-Tenths of the law.
This is relevant how? Seems pretty clear the professor isn't breaking any rules.
>The teacher taking possession of the phone is the problem, along with any potential thieving minorities in the class. A minority would have no qualms breaking boundaries by jumping behind a professor's desk and rummaging through things.
He is not taking possession of anything by putting it into a box in a corner of the classroom... and uhm... "potential thieving minorities"? Jesus non-existant christ.
>A minority would have no qualms breaking boundaries by jumping behind a professor's desk and rummaging through things.
Yeah if I was "a minority" just jumping a kid after school for his cellphone would be a tad easier...
>If I pay someone I expect them to do as I wish.
Just like you expect someone who voluntarily goes to your school to do as you wish.
>Legally, maybe not. But he can complain until his parents gets involved and the professor must backpedal because the administration doesn't want to hear it anymore.
Exactly, he has the option to whine as much as he wants to until the administration gets sick of it...
>Indeed. If we don't have freeze peach and privacy then what do we have?! We're practically literal slaves without it.
Yeah except this does not involve your privacy whatsoever...
I guess my sarcasm didn't come through... When the original drama happened yesterday I was defending the teacher. Proofs
Oh.
Carry on then.
Did...Did you two just out jerk each other?
I feel violated.
I can understand his obliviousness. You were a little too good in your imitation, so I started getting frustrated and not caring that you were sarcastic.
I spend a lot of time in /r/badhistory, that sub shows that whenever you think someone is being sarcastic he's actually being serious.
> OP was asking if he could legally refuse to hand over his phone: it's easy: he can't.
It is true. Legally he can't expect a student to hand over his phone. But the student also can't expect to take a class when the professor doesn't want him there.
>Where does your logic start? He doesn't want to put his phone in the fuckign box! From that you deduce "Holy shit, this guy is out of control! Next thing you know he'll be wanting to take the class for free and be credited without doing any of the work! He must be stopped!"
>Jesus-Harold-Cocksucking-Christ, how does your brain work? He objects to one rule that the Professor laid out in the syllabus and, gosh, he must want to smoke pot in the back!
So angry he can't recognize using exaggeration to make a point. I hate hate it when people are selectively incapable of reading posts as anything but literal.
>Wallets/purses are essential. Currency, identification, credit/debit cards, etc.
Yeah, got to have all that for your college courses. You never know when your lesson will require to make a purchase off Amazon or prove your identity. There is a great risk at not having it on your person for an hour. Nor, apparently, is separating your phone from it a possibility. It's not like they're made for removing your phone.
>let them know that you won't be bringing your phone to class. Ever. Then bring it anyway, but keep it turned off and hidden.
That's right, act just like an entitled teenager, that'll show everyone how grown up you are!
>Your phone is your property. You are responsible for it, it's expensive to replace, don't put it at risk.
I had no idea my pocket was the only secure place for a phone. I didn't know there were cars, or places of residence. Nor did I think that a box in view of everyone was so easy to hide from people.
>You didn't deserve the level of vitriol that /u/malachi23[5] brought to the table.
So much vitriol. He called you an entitled child, how did you ever cope with such a verbal beating?
>It looks like - in some instances - he [malachi] actually does give good advice.
Dat backhanded compliment.
I've had things taken out of my bag in the 40 seconds required to lap the room and hand something in... The theft concern feels pretty valid to me. The rest is hot airish.
I wish I could give you gold 6 x for this. /u/evan missed the point completely imo.
Honestly. It's baffling. The OP was clearly whining about an incredibly minor topic and throwing out terms he doesn't understand, like "basic rights" and "precedence." I mean, my God, part of growing up is knowing when to pick your battles. This isn't one of them. Turn off your phone, but it in your pocket or bag, and shut the fuck up. There, presto, end of crisis.
Though I wonder whether OP was fantasizing about 'taking on the man' in some way, since he himself notes that even if he had a leg to stand on, it'd result in a circus and he'd "be that guy" over something that really isn't important.
The Reddit-appropriate response? More feelings and disregard for reality.
I mean it this is how I read it:
Op: Do I have to follow the rules? I am special though, do I have to follow them now? Can the teacher get in trouble for this?
Malachi: Yes, yes, and no. You are also a huge fucking idiot, but no you have no legal leg to stand on.
First wave: OO SO TOLD!
Evan: Malachi you are an idiot and (insert ramblings about things that dont belong in legal advice anyways)
2nd wave: HAHA MALACHI YOU GOT TOLD!
me: mmmm butter!
Yep, pretty much.
/r/bestof is something else. It's like the comment-equivalent of the front page of defaults, where people will mindlessly upvote something without even reading it. It's funny, I think, when a post in /r/bestof is upvoted (within that sub and the original post), but all of the comments in the /r/bestof thread are criticizing it.
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I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not so here goes.
I wouldn't put my phone in anything other than my own private locker with a key. My phone is my property and it has my passwords, wallet, bank information ect... on it. I'm not putting it in a box that someone could easily just take it and walk away with it - even on accident (By the way I don't know where you go to school, but theft is a huge problem here in reality).
What if there's actually an emergency and I have to leave and its in a box in the corner. There is a world outside of school that I am a part of and sometimes stuff happens. Not often granted, but if someone in my family was hurt and on the way to the hospital, then my phone is my only way of knowing that its time to leave class for the day.
I'm in college. I don't need my professor to take my phone from me. I am responsible enough to set it on vibrate and not mess with it in class. I've been going to a community college for the last two years, and have not once had a problem with this. Phone vibrates (or even sometimes rings - the horror!) and the owner gets up and goes into the hallway. Not a big deal.
>Phone vibrates (or even sometimes rings - the horror!) and the owner gets up and goes into the hallway.
It's the professor's class. It's their call if they want to deal with this.
No big deal. Cellphones are not your lifeforce, you will be fine if you can't use it for 1 hour. People did it for literally thousands of years. Look it up on your cellphone if you don't believe me!
There's really not much to deal with though. The interruption is minimal - I would even go as far to say non-existent. I can go without using it for a class period on my own without putting it in his special box. Just because some people can't is not reason enough for me to give it up. I don't mean to sound like some rebel or something but I would not give it up - not because I want to sit and text all period but because i'm responsible enough to not be distracted by it. If the professor doesn't like it too bad.
>The interruption is minimal
It's not a matter of interruption though, it's completely disrespectful. I don't know about you, but when I get a call during class I rush to disconnect, put my phone on silent and then apologise to the professor.
Depends. Again, I go to community college where I and many of the students work either full or part time. Every professor I have had did not care if we answer the phone and step outside for a few minutes assuming its not during a test or something. They understand that we have outside obligations that sometimes have to be dealt with. While its inappropriate to have a full blown conversation on the phone in class about the most recent episode of American Idol, taking a call from work or parents or whatever in the hallway is hardly a big deal.
>Just because some people can't is not reason enough for me to give it up.
Sure it is. You signed up for the class. You'll be okay, or you could ignore the rule and possibly get docked grades if you interrupt said class. Welcome to "reality" as you so tactfully put it. If the professor doesn't like it, they can certainly do more than be sad when you attempt to justiceporn the place up.
It's not justiceporn. I just don't feel comfortable putting my private cell phone containing my personal information in an unsecured box on a whim. Its not going to happen, and if I get docked points for it then I would take it up with the main office or drop the course. As long as I am not distracting him or the class then he gets no say in what I do with my phone.
>drop the course
Your first adult response! This is your option. Taking it up with the main office over your cell phone rights (after disturbing the class against the explicit instruction not to) would be a fucking laugh-track.
Contrary to your assertion, yes, the professor DOES have control over what happens in their classroom. Your little temper tantrum in the office will just be water-cooler talk later, about how petulant "adults" can be these days. The court of "mah feels" was an accurate crack elsewhere in this thread. Holy shit.
I don't think "Hey this professor is making his students put their personal phones with their private information into a cardboard box" would be water-cooler talk. I would think that the school would actually look into it because they don't want to be liable in the event a phone does get stolen or broken.
I also think we have different views on what a distraction is. Responding to a text is not a distraction so long as the phone doesn't beep and even then its no big deal - one went off in my class earlier today, the prof just kept going. Having a conversation on the phone is a distraction much like chatting in class is and this can be done without a phone.
Yes, the professor does have control over what happens in his classroom. I never said that he didn't. I simply stated that I would not give up my phone.
> I simply stated that I would not give up my phone.
Then grow up and face the music if you get caught. Don't be a child about it. I probably wouldn't give up my phone either, but I sure as fuck wouldn't try to take a stand if I got nailed to the wall for violating an explicit rule against distractions in the classroom.
I never said I wouldn't?
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>Not often granted, but if someone in my family was hurt and on the way to the hospital, then my phone is my only way of knowing that its time to leave class for the day.
Then I sure wonder how on earth parents were able to notify their kids in school before they all had a cellphone. Oh I know, they just called the school and asked them to notify you.
Or they could just directly contact me? It's simpler and easier for them to just call me. What if they don't have my schools number on hand? What if their not home and can't look the number up? What if they want to speak to me directly? If anything, them notifying me causes the professor more of a distraction because either the classroom phone rings or someone from the office comes into class and asks for me.
>What if they don't have my schools number on hand? What if their not home and can't look the number up?
Then you could tell them in advance that you're not allowed to use cellphones during class and to just notify the school if thre's an emergency.
>What if they want to speak to me directly?
Then they call the school, ask someone to get you, and directly talk to you on the school phone.
>If anything, them notifying me causes the professor more of a distraction because either their phone rings or someone from the office comes into class.
That's an unfair comparison. For the professor it's either have someone come in maybe once a year for a parent-student emergy, or have the entire class distracted by their cellphones all the times.
Again, up until 12 years ago or so no one had a cellphone in class, so I do wonder how they were able to handle emergency situations back then.
Your right. 12 years ago this technology didn't exist and people made due. Do you really think the main office wants to be tracking down students so they can talk to their parents? Especially because the whole thing could be sidestepped by gasp a cell phone.
Also, the entire class isn't distracted by their phones. Most people show up to learn and take notes. Maybe they occasionally answer a text or two during a lecture. Somehow the world keeps spinning.
This is why I think everybody should just send a letter down to their local Pony Express if they need to get in touch with somebody.
Look, you have every right to drop a course if you don't like the policies, whatever they are. You can go to another school. However, if you read a policy like this and don't drop the course, you have absolutely no defense if you choose not to follow it and get caught. Welcome to life.
If this magical emergency happens, your family can leave you a voicemail. The world will keep spinning if you wait an hour to be notified of this magical emergency. If you know something is going on that is more important than class, exercise your adult ability to prioritize and go do that. Just accept the adult consequences that come with it.
Leave your phone at home if you're that bothered. You aren't that important that you can't go a few hours out of contact. Or drop out of school and go work for a cell phone company so that you have a very good reason to always have your phone on you.
Its not the schools official policy, its the policy of a single teacher.
If the magical emergency does happen, as unlikely as it is, and someone in my family is at the hospital I should be able to receive that call. Suddenly I have a bigger priority than sitting in class. We're gonna tone it down a notch. I'm in community college and me and many of my classmates work. If my boss tries to contact me and needs me to come in then its important that I get that call.
I stated this in other comments, but I am not comfortable putting my phone which has my bank account tied to it, acts as my wallet, and has private texts, pictures, ect... in a place where it could easily be stolen or broken. I don't need to put my phone in a box, i'm responsible enough to put it on silent or vibrate and go into the hallway if I receive a call.
You are able to receive the call. You just have to drop the class. Solved.
If you stay in the class after being informed of this policy, you consent to it. You can feel however you want about it, you can have all sorts of reasons why you think it's unfair or unreasonable. Someday, when you're teaching, you can refuse to have this policy.
None of that matters, though. If you have been informed of the policy and stay in the class, you consent to it. Period. Nobody has a gun to your head to keep you there. Your rights aren't being violated, because you are voluntarily going to a class with this policy.
You can refuse to hand in your phone all you want, but if/when the consequences come, remember that you chose to be in that room. None of the rest matters at all.
I like how you just did the exact same thing you were complaining about those two doing.
/r/bestof'd!
No he wasn't. I don't see what malachi did that was wrong initially