What I keep seeing in men's profiles: 43/M seeking F 20-34. (self.OkCupid)

{OkCupid}

21 ups - 10 downs = 11 votes

Flat out, I'm a serial monogamist, 37/F, and long-time online dating app user. I've used Match, pof, OKC and even CL, and I feel like this needs to be pointed out: when the sites ask for an age range of women you'd be interested in, they mean reasonable age range...not your ideal. While I have no doubt that your 48 year old ass wouldn't kick a 19 year old out of bed, that isn't the point of these sites.

I used to use the age range as an exclusion criterion when I was in my early 20's, but I don't have that luxury anymore. Nearly 100% of the men my age are posting that they want girls young enough to be their daughters. We all get that this could be a fantasy, but this just serves to alienate the small portion of the population that would actually be interested in you.

Just my two cents on that.

And on a related note, I've apparently achieved "cougar" status now, or something, as about half the guys that message me are in their mid-20's. Curious. :/

62 comments submitted at 08:51:22 on Jan 22, 2014 by RedDuvet

  • [-]
  • antiquarian
  • 8 Points
  • 14:06:58, 22 January

> Nearly 100% of the men my age are posting that they want girls young enough to be their daughters.

46/M here. This topic comes up here on a regular basis. Invariably one or more men reply that their age range includes women their own age. In one of the cases, it turned out that I had previously sent the OP a message.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 2 Points
  • 14:11:48, 22 January

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to be repetitive. I just found this subreddit today, and decided to vent. My hope was that someone would give sage advice as to how to work around it, or even link me to code that would help me sort for better matches.

Was it awkward when you two found out the connection? Had she responded?

  • [-]
  • antiquarian
  • 2 Points
  • 14:22:13, 22 January

It wasn't awkward for me anyway. She hadn't responded at the time of the post but did later. Nothing ever came out of it.

I'm still finding the almost 100% number hard to believe. Is this from a random sample, or from the profiles you found interesting enough to look at (that makes a difference)?

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 1 Points
  • 14:34:07, 22 January

just ran a test using a blank account, and posted the results above

  • [-]
  • jacques_chester
  • 4 Points
  • 13:05:22, 22 January

The flipside

  • [-]
  • demerith
  • 4 Points
  • 14:08:35, 22 January

I'm not doubting your experience but I just want to weigh in and say I've never noticed this with my matches, and just did a search for 40-45 year-olds in my area (NYC) to make sure. Visiting the top 10 profiles that appear on my search, only one of them, a 42-year-old, wants women 25-36. Everyone else includes women their age and up to a few years older.

So FWIW, these preferences don't seem to be universal.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 3 Points
  • 14:32:44, 22 January

Just for comparison's sake, I just set up a dummy account to run the same test, no info in it, using some of my normal search paradigm. 3/10 included their age or over their age as their upper limit. Another 3 had a "reasonable" upper limit beneath their own age, just a few years younger than themselves. Only four put the upper limit way beneath their own ages. 8/10 put the lower limit 15-25 years under their own age.

It's not universal here, either, apparently. My results normally exclude very religious men, and it looks like they're more reasonable in their ranges. What this suggests to me is that the way I'm answering some of my questions must be skewing my matches towards...don't know...narcissists or something?

  • [-]
  • demerith
  • 2 Points
  • 14:46:54, 22 January

I think I might have weighted questions about educational attainment and because I have advanced degrees myself, it's possible I'm also being selected for that.

  • [-]
  • CptLastname
  • 4 Points
  • 09:26:17, 22 January

>And on a related note, I've apparently achieved "cougar" status now, or something, as about half the guys that message me are in their mid-20's. Curious. :/

Say., you doing anything this weekend?

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 4 Points
  • 09:45:33, 22 January

Heh.

If you want to do this, you need to do it right: send me a message devoid of content, lacking in vowels, that's encrusted with unnecessary punctuation and poor grammar/random capitals.

Ex: Cn u hve intrst in Date? 22/M, hot bod, lt u cook 4 me.!!!! ? LOL!!

  • [-]
  • aamatulle
  • 4 Points
  • 12:32:32, 22 January

He did use a period and a comma.

  • [-]
  • OtherShenanigans
  • 7 Points
  • 15:43:30, 22 January

And cougars don't always get periods any more. heyo!

  • [-]
  • cherrybomb921
  • 3 Points
  • 15:32:03, 22 January

I decided to check this out for myself so I reactivated my account and let the matches go randomly.

First man I clicked on was 46 and seeking women 30-47. So he was willing to go 16 years younger and yet only 1 year older.

Next man, 45 willing to go 30-50.

Next man 49, willing to go 30-54.

Next man 43, willing to go 30-44.

Next man 49, willing to go 38-52.

Next man 52, willing to go 41-52.

Next man 49, willing to go 30-54.

Boy, I can't wait to turn 30, then I can have the pick of the litter when it comes to men old enough to be my father.

  • [-]
  • alaska_jane
  • 1 Points
  • 14:49:57, 22 January

I regularly see 18-24 year old males seeking 18-40 year old females. Similarly, I find it creepy when anyone in their mid-twenties (23-26) or older wants to date a teenager.

  • [-]
  • Multidisciplinary
  • 5 Points
  • 10:10:13, 22 January

I see the obverse from plenty of women in their 20s ie 27F, wants to date 30-40.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 4 Points
  • 12:59:06, 22 January

Haven't really looked at the profiles of women, but 27-to-30 is just a 3 year gap. It would be more striking if you saw plenty of 27 year olds only looking for men in the 40-50 range. Beyond a certain distance in age, people start looking "old" to you, and are no longer included in your ingroup.

  • [-]
  • cestvrai
  • 1 Points
  • 13:07:49, 22 January

I see plenty of girls under 25 who are looking for 10-20 year older guys so maybe the two groups are finding what they're looking for. I'd estimate around 75% of girls in my area in their 20s are looking for their age or older. I've used OKC to score a cougar because it's one of the easier age ranges to target and the sex is way better.

  • [-]
  • advisingwench
  • 4 Points
  • 13:44:01, 22 January

> score a cougar

Yuck.

  • [-]
  • cestvrai
  • 1 Points
  • 13:51:10, 22 January

Haters gonna hate.

  • [-]
  • advisingwench
  • 6 Points
  • 14:33:15, 22 January

(FTR, it's your phrasing I objected to, not that you bone older women.)

  • [-]
  • cestvrai
  • 4 Points
  • 14:49:59, 22 January

I said score because it was casual sex and I didn't realize cougar was bad (OP also used it and I don't know alternative words). Any disrespect was unintentional.

  • [-]
  • dontKair
  • 6 Points
  • 11:35:06, 22 January

>Nearly 100% of the men my age are posting that they want girls young enough to be their daughters.

Only a (small) fraction of those men will actually be able to date women much younger than them. They read stories (like in here) about that 25 year old lady who was banging a 44 year old dude, and think, "I could be that guy". It's (more or less) the same kind of delusion that drives 10% of women (in attractiveness) getting 90% of the messages in OkC.

  • [-]
  • yodelmaster
  • 2 Points
  • 15:29:07, 22 January

like this one?

http://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/1hnhzi/rememberthesadstoryonhereaboutagirl_going/

  • [-]
  • dontKair
  • 2 Points
  • 15:37:41, 22 January

yeah, and I think there was some others

  • [-]
  • FollowTheSirens
  • 3 Points
  • 09:25:07, 22 January

I wish I could block messages from guys over 40 on OKC. I won't have a meaningful relationship with them and if it's about getting laid, well, I will take the stamina, full head of hair and tight stomach of a 20-30something please, kthxbai.

  • [-]
  • justkevin
  • 4 Points
  • 15:18:15, 22 January

I think if OKC added age blocking it would decrease the number of messages you got from outside of your range, but increase the number of people lying about their age, which is probably worse.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 1 Points
  • 16:29:35, 22 January

Yeah, you're right, I think, but I feel like it would still be an improvement. I've had two guys that've come out and told me that they were lying about their age already, after I told them that I thought they were too young for me. Kind of creepy.

  • [-]
  • Studninja
  • 2 Points
  • 15:19:48, 22 January

i second that!

  • [-]
  • dontKair
  • 2 Points
  • 15:41:31, 22 January

you could go on POF. By default, people can't message others who are ~10 years older or younger.

  • [-]
  • howimetyomama
  • 5 Points
  • 12:14:30, 22 January

People have dating presences, they're entitled to them; no one here would say otherwise if this were a preference for body type or attractiveness. We're talking about adults in consensual relationships. And I think calling someone's preferences a mere fantasy is degrading to both parties and even a bit objectifying of women in their 20s.

Not to be harsh, but worry more about who you want to date (and exclude from your search) and less about what you feel other people should want.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 3 Points
  • 13:35:38, 22 January

I'm not really addressing the preferences, I'm referring to the utility of the site. The reality is that almost everyone rates the look of youth as more attractive than the signs of aging, this isn't a newsflash. POF actually recently released a statement saying that weren't allowing men with over ten years age difference to contact women on the site anymore, as their stats showed that there were almost no women seeking that, and bombarding the inboxes of women that have an age range that you're WAY outside of leads to them feeling harassed, ultimately driving them off the site. And even when they (or the youngsters) send me emails today, as a 37 year old, more than 5-10 years beyond the range they've stated they're willing to consider, it makes me feel somewhat put out as well.

We're not talking about adults in consensual relationships, that's the thing. This site is intended to create relationships based on mutual characteristics, yet there's no penalty involved for those that violate that tenet, and it's almost impossible to search around this. If I wanted to (and believe me, I do) search for men in my age range who are searching for women in my age range, it can't be done. Keep in mind, I was at the receiving end of this in my 20's, and what I'm describing has been repeated time and again, both by the guys I've met (who knew women that left the sites due to this), and by other women who've tried to use OKC and other such sites.

What you're positing seems ridiculous to me. I'm referring to it as a fantasy because that's what it is, and stats will back me up on that. In a way, it's like banking on winning the lottery. Not sure how you find that "a bit objectifying" of anyone.

Lastly, my whole point in this is that it's almost impossible for me (and women my age) to find men to date as a result of this. I'm now in the "acceptable" age range for men in their 60's on the site. My choice is to either completely overlook that the men are doing this (which has been what I've been doing), or not date anyone from the site.

  • [-]
  • advisingwench
  • 6 Points
  • 14:44:10, 22 January

> POF actually recently released a statement saying that weren't allowing men with over ten years age difference to contact women on the site anymore, as their stats showed that there were almost no women seeking that, and bombarding the inboxes of women that have an age range that you're WAY outside of leads to them feeling harassed, ultimately driving them off the site.

I thought that new rule was unnecessary, tbh. There was already a way to limit who could message you based on age; I didn't agree with a blanket rule when they instituted it.

One of the guys I'm dating now is 33. If there were such limits in place on OKC, he and I wouldn't have been able to meet. What I'd like to see instead is a way to search for a match based on HIS age preferences so I don't waste my time pulling up guys who cap at 40.

  • [-]
  • howimetyomama
  • 3 Points
  • 14:52:11, 22 January

>I'm now in the "acceptable" age range for men in their 60's on the site.

In no way is that phenomenon limited to this site. It's a preference due to gender roles in our society, but it's still just that; a preference.

>We're not talking about adults in consensual relationships, that's the thing. This site is intended to create relationships based on mutual characteristics, yet there's no penalty involved for those that violate that tenet

Yes, and dating sites are built on the premise of choosing who you find attractive and messaging them in hopes of going on a date. This isn't violating some tenet of dating, that is dating. Or, trying to.

>POF actually recently released a statement saying that weren't allowing men with over ten years age difference to contact women on the site anymore, as their stats showed that there were almost no women seeking that, and bombarding the inboxes of women that have an age range that you're WAY outside of leads to them feeling harassed, ultimately driving them off the site.

If you're going to post this you could at least cite it. The closest I can find searching is that there's a restriction for searching for anyone 19 years younger than you. It wasn't an official source.

>stats will back me up on that

Then post them?

Honestly, there are a lot of things "I wish." But people date according to their preferences. I don't condone harassment at all. If an older man or woman wants to respectfully message a younger man or woman, I see no issue with that. Does that make your use of the site more difficult? If you prefer men in your age range, it probably does, and I'm sorry for that. I'd doubt it has much to do with the site, but gender roles are how women are (unfortunately) viewed in society.

Click on a profile. If the guy isn't looking for someone in your age range, move on. Or, write a script to do the same. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already has.

And since we're talking in anecdotes, most of the older men I know are happily dating younger women. Do I think it's a little weird? Being honest, yeah, I kind of do, and I think it's an unfortunate reflection of how women are viewed. But at the end of the day, on a person to person level, it's a matter of their preferences and choices, it doesn't have anything to do with me.

Hope you have better luck.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 0 Points
  • 16:46:32, 22 January

It's hard for me to get your beef. Is this just a reading comp problem? I've repeatedly stated that this isn't about preferences, and anyway, given that half of the men contacting are way under my age, your point about gender roles is obviated and cliched.

Nothing in what I've written suggests that I believe this phenomenon just exists on OKC, you're making straw man arguments now. Again, what I'm saying is that men who don't intend to have their profiles interpreted negatively need to become aware of how that age range looks, and OKC needs to have some blocking capacity so women don't end up getting a barrage of emails from incompatible men. It's entirely possible that the drunk heroin addict down the street would like to fuck me, but if he slobbishly came on to me every time I passed his house, I'd choose a different route rather than going through the same draining experience again and again...and I'm not alone in that. The site ends up being like this.

If you're hetero, and using the site to find a woman, and 99% of the 40-50 emails you were getting per day were from gay men offering lurid seduction, would you continue using the site? It has nothing to do with their preference, it has to do with you being able to exercise your preferences. The site doesn't have that right now.

And you're just being ridiculous asking me to post evidence showing that people tend to date and marry close to their age. I've pulled up a graph from the US census for you, but honestly, this is asinine. Out of every married couple you've ever met, how many have a 10-year-plus age gap? Out of the thousands I know...I can't even think of one. Why are you acting like you can't get what I'm saying? This is childish. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/on-whether-women-can-or-do-marry-younger-men/?php=true&type=blogs&_r=0

  • [-]
  • TiedinHistory
  • 2 Points
  • 15:00:33, 22 January

I think your issue (a real one) is a function of three different things:

A. The person sending the messages. As has been lamented a ton by the guys here, they're the ones sending the messages probably 75-80% (or more) of the time. As such, they're the ones making the first determination, most of the time, as to whether they're interested in a woman, a qualification that may overrule their rankings. This probably means they're going to skew to the extremes on their listing. Why is this? Because they may be doing many of the matches beyond that range, and if someone is going to contact them, they see it as a preference or a nebulous number instead of a requirement (see Point C)

B. I'm guessing this is a bigger deal for women, but it's a matter of setting an endpoint that, as you say, would discourage someone way out of your range from messaging (not that it works). For instance, as a 26 year old male, I would probably put something like 21-33 as my preferred age ranges. Is this to say I wouldn't go out with a 19 year old I find attractive/interesting, or a 36 year old who piques my interest? Nope. But it would, hopefully, discourage someone my mother's age. It's less important for men because of Point A, but that may be part of the theory behind it.

Also, I'm not sure how true this is, but I suspect the low ranges is a reflection on how they want people to perceive them and their intentions on the site.

C. Most importantly, there is a gender disparity between how many qualifications must be met in order to pursue something. This is more common in professional environments, but I suspect it would also apply to online dating.

> Internal research by Hewlett-Packard found that women only apply for jobs for which they feel they are a 100% match; men do so even when they meet no more than 60% of the requirements.

If you take that to its next step, I would suspect that men who create profiles who list 20-34 when they're 43 don't have that actual range, and they may expect a 37 year old who is a great fit to send a message. On the other hand, OKC and women may see age as a hardline requirement and think that the men are actually saying, "34 is fine, but once you hit your 35th you better not message me." It's more of an unfortunate gendered consequence than anything else.

As for how it affects the metrics, you're right, it messes up the search results and it's a flaw in the system that I think both sides, at times, use in a detrimental fashion. I know my (female) friend has a range that she will violate for people in real life.

  • [-]
  • yodelmaster
  • 1 Points
  • 14:17:44, 22 January

I regularly get emails from women 10-15 years younger than me and generally have a cut-off around 8 years younger.

You're railing against the way of the world.

It isn't a fantasy.

And the fact that older men can date much younger women much more easily than women can do the same is offset by other advantages that women have in the dating market during their lives.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 0 Points
  • 16:03:25, 22 January

You need to reread what I wrote. I, as well, am getting emails from men 10-15 years junior to me. As I clearly said, that age group comprises about half of my responses. That isn't the point, and I'm not railing, much less against "the way of the world".

There are many individuals, like myself, that are using online dating to try to find someone compatible for a long term relationship, and the site claims to have matching abilities. I don't know what's confusing to the men in this thread about this. If I've marked that I'm only there seeking an ltr, I shouldn't be getting copious amounts of emails for casual sex hookups. And men that list an age range that's far away from my own age shouldn't be showing up in my searches.

Again, this post is about how the site lacks utility, ultimately driving potential users out.

  • [-]
  • antiquarian
  • 2 Points
  • 16:33:47, 22 January

I was going to mention that the matching system is only as good as how you answer the questions when I remembered that there is a question about age differences. Find it. Mark it mandatory. Make your other mandatory questions very important instead. That should help.

  • [-]
  • greenchrissy
  • 4 Points
  • 15:10:09, 22 January

I am a 42 year old woman in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I would say that yes, I have noticed that a fair portion of the men around my age do have their age ranges set to a good bit younger and up to just about their age, maybe a few years above. Shoot, even the men in their 30s that have contacted me tend to have their range set to somewhere in the 20s up to mid 30s or so. Basically skewing to a preference for younger and not too much older.

I have not noticed any men approximately my age setting their range to only significantly younger than them. Maybe one or two, that's about it.

As far as advice, I'd say just message the men you are interested in, age range be damned (within reason). I mean, the men in their 30s (sometimes late 20s) who contact me usually don't have me included in their range. I'm checking through my inbox for the last couple weeks...yep, none of them have my age included. Now and then when I ask a person about that, they say their range is just a general guideline and not a hard and fast rule. If that is the case, I see no problem with contacting a guy around your age who doesn't have you included because chances are, he filled that range out in haste and didn't think much about it. He's probably a lot more flexible on the issue than the range might indicate.

  • [-]
  • yodelmaster
  • 4 Points
  • 15:25:56, 22 January

I say she's pissed about her own perceived desirability on the dating market as reflected in these men's age preferences, not her actual ability to date them. Good tips otherwise.

  • [-]
  • paparazzi_rider
  • 2 Points
  • 16:29:41, 22 January

This was my feeling also.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 1 Points
  • 16:24:04, 22 January

sigh

I've said it elsewhere in this thread, but in order to use the site at all, I ultimately have to simply overlook the range they're putting in. When I first sign up on a dating site, I end up with 7-10 dates per week, usually for the first two or three weeks. I've had three multi-year relationships resulting from doing this, and I've used these sites since the mid-90's-ish. It's not really a question of needing instruction on what to overlook, I'm annoyed at what matches end up getting produced.

But in the event that the profile authors don't know how that looks, they need to be apprised. And there should be a way to exclude emails from people who are incompatible, as shown by their own search criteria, from contacting you. This raw number of inbound emails is staggering, at least in the beginning, and it makes it really difficult to even slog through to get to the ones that are sincere and make sense for you. It's a question of site utility, and ends up affecting all users.

Think of it this way: imagine a bar with free drinks for ladies on ladies night. If that bar allows drunken, pawing men to cling to and harass the women, all the women will eventually leave and not come back. That reduces the chances of even the good candidates of finding someone to chat with at that bar. Some measure of control needs to be established at the upper level or else the whole thing goes to pot.

  • [-]
  • antiquarian
  • 2 Points
  • 15:23:11, 22 January

> holy shit calm down

Relevant flair.

  • [-]
  • cherrybomb921
  • 1 Points
  • 12:48:12, 22 January

Their unrealistic expectations are what have kept them single into their 40s.

Sad part is, they don't even realize it.

  • [-]
  • jacques_chester
  • 2 Points
  • 13:06:36, 22 January

Some of us are single because of other problems.

  • [-]
  • cherrybomb921
  • 0 Points
  • 13:46:31, 22 January

>other problems

I don't doubt that one either.

  • [-]
  • blondedre3000
  • 1 Points
  • 14:30:56, 22 January

So much bitterness in this thread. It's like a lemon tree that keeps on giving.

  • [-]
  • bamforeo
  • 2 Points
  • 14:49:16, 22 January

Looks like we need a lemon whore to come and steal these false-hope-giving lemons.

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  • TorontoMike
  • 3 Points
  • 15:17:38, 22 January

Get over it. They are adults and can do what they choose, if that leads to their failure then so be it. People are allowed to date according to their preferences are, sex, age, skin colour, education or what ever. No one has to lower their standards because you say so .

  • [-]
  • Cupid_
  • 1 Points
  • 16:45:23, 22 January

You really wrote up your complaint in the wrong way, which is why you've gotten into so many conversations that aren't remotely related to your point: The utility of the site.

next time, focus on the problem, the web site and it's matching ability, instead of bitching about men.

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  • OKCupid_Adventure
  • 1 Points
  • 16:49:26, 22 January

After reading the OP and skimming through the responses, I have a few reactions.

  1. There are some guys my age out there who are unfairly painting every woman over 30 with the same broad brush, acting as if only the women may be a bit jaded when it comes to dating. I have to wonder how much of it is experience with the women and how much is projection.

  2. This gives some interesting insight into the dating pool available to women around my age, and makes a bit more sense out of my dating experience. If so many guys my age are working so hard to date only women under 30, it's no wonder there were so many beautiful, fun, interesting women in their mid to late 30s available to date me.

  3. I hope you guys keep up your stupid prejudices and unreasonable refusal to date any woman over some arbitrary age, as if age alone is a good indicator of whether a woman has become a bit jaded. If/when I end up back in the dating market at some point, I'll be more than happy to pick up where I left off, dating the successful, intriguing, beautiful women within a few years of my age who you're ignoring because you don't like the number on their profile.

  • [-]
  • Arise212
  • 0 Points
  • 08:56:40, 22 January

I personally think that men in their 40's, 50's and beyond, that try to hook up with 18-twenty somethings, is disgusting.

  • [-]
  • RedDuvet
  • 4 Points
  • 09:05:26, 22 January

Not sure if it disgusts me, but I definitely think it's delusional, and it's always been annoying. When I was in my 20's on Match, the oldsters used to drive me off the site, and most women I've spoken with have had the same response. There's no way to block these guys en masse, and it almost renders the sites unusable at that age. I'd open up my inbox to see 50 new emails, and maybe only one of them was in my age range...

Ugh.

  • [-]
  • GAndroid
  • 2 Points
  • 15:50:01, 22 January

One of my friends (girl) actually prefers much older men (30+) while she is 21. Any idea why some girls prefer guys who are like a decade older than them?

  • [-]
  • Arise212
  • -12 Points
  • 09:24:12, 22 January

I think its disgusting because these are older men going after young girls young enough to be their daughters (or in some cases even young enough to be their grandaughters). It just seems almost as bad as pedophilia. Actually it is almost that bad because the girls they are going after, many of them are barely legal, and some still have the mentality of children(depending on when they mature). I think some of these men would try to get with 14 year olds if it was legal, it makes me sick.

  • [-]
  • NauticalDissaster
  • -2 Points
  • 12:32:51, 22 January

This is one of the most stupid posts I've read on r/ok, including the screencaps women post of the nonsense sent to their inbox on the site.

  • [-]
  • blondedre3000
  • -1 Points
  • 14:27:38, 22 January

ITT: Older women getting upset because men they're attracted to no longer find them attractive, and younger women tired of getting hit on by old men all the time. Fight!

  • [-]
  • purplearmored
  • 2 Points
  • 16:25:39, 22 January

Why would they fight? It's the same problem, just being encountered at different stages in life.

  • [-]
  • zeedub
  • 0 Points
  • 15:27:33, 22 January

Men are generally attracted to beauty and fertility

Women are generally attracted to resources and status

This is the law of the jungle OP

  • [-]
  • Seattleite11
  • -1 Points
  • 15:23:58, 22 January

36m here. All the complaining and judging coming from you bitter and angry women over 30 is exactly why I date almost exclusively under 30s. Get over yourselves, quit complaining, and remember how to enjoy life again the way you did when you were 19 and maybe guys will want to date you again. You are the problem, I'm just reacting to it.

  • [-]
  • Tigmatt
  • -1 Points
  • 15:52:07, 22 January

In this thread: creepy old guys spinning it to be the women their ages fault.

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  • rick_G
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  • 15:21:35, 22 January

Funny enough, I'm 24 and interested in that same age range.