ThePopcornStand starts to eat itself as /u/zellyman discusses men, gender roles, and feminist spaces (np.reddit.com)
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53 comments submitted at 19:51:29 on Jan 16, 2014 by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK
ThePopcornStand starts to eat itself as /u/zellyman discusses men, gender roles, and feminist spaces (np.reddit.com)
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53 comments submitted at 19:51:29 on Jan 16, 2014 by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK
Well, he's not wrong about the inherent difficulty of a feminist space and the "what about this unrelated issue?" difficulty with keeping everyone on topic. Sadly, that guy was actually on topic.
If you're going to form a space to discuss how women have it worse than men and that men are super privileged, I don't know how you can be suprised when men turn up and tell you they're not super privileged. Not to mention picking one of the most male populated websites to have that discussion on.
Not all "safe spaces" are about dissing white men. Just wanted to add that.
No one said anything about white people. Bringing race up for no reason does nothing but erase the fact minority men suffer disproportionately from what people identify as men's issues.
No one said it erased. The narrative, though, is often times about white men invading safe spaces. Its clear to most people that minorities face different types of discrimination than caucasians. I work with minority men through Social Work and I understand the need for safe spaces.
>No one said it erased.
I am saying it. If you are attacking men's issues via "white men" you are erasing the fact that minority men suffer the exact same issues but in greater amounts. If you acknowledge the need for spaces for specifically black men, not black people in general then you are acknowledging male specific issues. Clearly there are spaces needed for minorities, but those issues when generalized are still men's issues and not so fundamentally different from what any other men face.
You say the narrative is "white men invading safe spaces" but your narrative excludes that those feminist spaces are populated overwhelmingly by white women.
Minority and white men face vastly different issues. Common examples of mansplaining on reddit are usually from the white male perspective. There is nothing wrong with white men speaking up, mind you. They often times tend to be overpowering because they are greater in number. Groups like the MRM are quite caucasian-centric, for example, as they seem to rarely discuss issues that minority men face. No wonder minorities seek their own space! I'm not talking about feminist spaces, I don't know why you are bringing that up. Safe space does not = feminist. No one is talking about feminism right now.
I'm curious, though, you have evidence that feminist spaces are overwhelmingly white women? I honestly though it was the opposite, at least in my experience. Most of my colleagues and classmates are feminists and are POC or members of the LGBTQ community.
>Minority and white men face vastly different issues
Vastly? Go ahead, name me several issues in which the statistical difference between white males and white females is vastly different from the statistical difference between black males and black females.
I know a few such as sentencing disparities, but I would not at all describe them as vast. Don't get me wrong, minorities face race issues. But without a skew, statistics point to race issues amplifying men's issues.
>Common examples of mansplaining on reddit are usually from the white male perspective.
Common examples of feminist attacks on masculinity come from the white female perspective.
>Groups like the MRM are quite caucasian-centric, for example, as they seem to rarely discuss issues that minority men face.
This is not because they want to eliminate black men's issues, it's because they want to separate men's issues from race issues. It is effectively anti-intersectionality - if you're a man, the MRM is about you and that's it. The MRM is not big enough to effectively tackle subtle issues, so people are asked to leave their veganism, Christianity etc at the door.
>I'm curious, though, you have evidence that feminist spaces are overwhelmingly white women?
Well aside from just looking at feminist academics, lets look at reddit. The SRS survey says 79% of subscribers are white, the MensRights survey says of subscribers are 84% white.
Buddy, you do know you're talking to a troll from /r/againstmensrights, right?
Nice ad hominem. Go back to antisrs and srsucks, adults are talking.
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That would explain a lot.
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SRS isn't feminism, though. You keep bringing up feminism as a response to why mansplaining is annoying, when we are talking about anyone in general "mansplaining." Not sure why, you seem to have some weird issue with bringing up feminism out of context. Your surveys show that there are a lot of white people on this site. That doesn't have anything to do with the fuckton of feminist offline. It does, however, make sense that people who aren't white men might want a "safe space" ;)
You are trying to make the case that "white men" specifically intrude on feminist spaces, bringing up that feminist spaces/speech etc are in fact just as white are to show you that there is not the racial skew you are saying there is. You did not provide any evidence for vast differences.
Before you mentioned race I was responding to beanfiddler specifically about men and women. I have been making a real effort not to inject the F word recently though so feel free to call me out on it though.
>It does, however, make sense that people who aren't white might want a "safe space" ;)
I agree, /r/blackladies does not bother me and neither does /r/blackfellas.
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to be fair, it doesn't take being inundated with questions about men for someone to yell "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ." In fact it quite literally takes one comment that may insinuate men do in fact not have everything super rosey.
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