Failed Ahmed Dogan assassination (GIF) (i.imgflip.com)

3080 ups - 1381 downs = 1699 votes

350 comments submitted at 15:07:22 on Jan 19, 2013 by markednl

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • 110 Points
  • 18:27:06, 19 January

Wow, talk about divine intervention. Glad the guy's ok.

EDIT: I hate how every single time I say something in respect to my faith I get down voted. I didn't even say God this time! Out of all the times that man probably practiced with that gun, went over the scenario in his head, and he even executed it perfectly to get right in front of his target. He got the one chance to shoot that man point blank in the face, what he has been dreaming of, and the gun jams. The chance of that is astronomically small. You want a miracle? We just got one on camera :)

I'll say it again, I am so glad that guy is ok.

EDIT 2: I'm sorry but I can't respond to all these messages. I've literally gotten over two dozen responses. I've started civil discussion with most of them, but they are starting to deteriorate into angry, hateful, responses or ridicule. I'm sorry that I've offended some of you but I am not sorry for what I've said. I will state my belief and be a witness for my faith if challenged. I'm very surprised at the argument that has started all from me saying 'divine intervention.' Two small simple words, who knew they would have such an impact.

  • [-]
  • Hatman88
  • 73 Points
  • 19:16:13, 19 January

For some reason Reddit goes absolutely nuts if you bring up religion. It's like a Pavlovian response...

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  • xmodify
  • 22 Points
  • 20:54:53, 19 January

I'd hate to see what would have happened if he had said Merry Christmas.

  • [-]
  • cRupeThereItIs
  • -2 Points
  • 21:04:21, 19 January

GTFO you piece of shit.

  • [-]
  • tonytonetone
  • 5 Points
  • 21:07:37, 19 January

Watch this guys...

Mitt Romney!

  • [-]
  • Suttonian
  • 1 Points
  • 21:18:53, 19 January

How dare you.

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  • rehx
  • -6 Points
  • 21:05:58, 19 January

"For some reason"?

In this case, it's like "Wow, let's attribute this random chance event to a causal source that no one is allowed to question because it doesn't hold up to questioning."

  • [-]
  • Forbichoff
  • -3 Points
  • 21:08:55, 19 January

It isn't 'for some reason' it involves the history of the site. It was originally one of the original places where atheism was actively supported and respected, the only reason I originally joined was because they had a very large atheist community and there were very few larger sites that were like this. So don't say you are shocked, today reddit is for rage comics and pictures of cats for middle school children, but it didn't always be this way, and to you are mererly ignorant of the facts.

Regardless if you agree or disagree atheism built this sites community, and now it is so marginalized, both for good and bad reasons.

What about reddiquette? Complaining about downvotes gets you more downvotes. The kids are taking over, this is just another example.

  • [-]
  • calmainyourass
  • -26 Points
  • 20:36:04, 19 January

Just trying to better the world one comment at a time.

  • [-]
  • batmanmilktruck
  • 30 Points
  • 20:40:41, 19 January

How do I make the world better? I KNOW! I'll be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like me!

  • [-]
  • HaMMeReD
  • -1 Points
  • 20:44:57, 19 January

You will be assimilated by the hive mind, resistance is futile

  • [-]
  • prozit
  • -25 Points
  • 20:44:39, 19 January

I think people in religious communities/countries think the internet 'goes nuts' when in fact most of us are just facepalming and downvoting what we consider serious delusions and ignorance. Accepting and respecting it helps it spread.

  • [-]
  • Minyme2009
  • 8 Points
  • 20:52:48, 19 January

Your right. Fighting religion with your downvotes and rage comics is a great way to do it.

  • [-]
  • superfrodies
  • 14 Points
  • 20:52:44, 19 January

Fuck your intolerance.

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  • rifk
  • 1 Points
  • 21:06:32, 19 January

You realize that in saying "Fuck your intolerance", you're literally being intolerant?

  • [-]
  • zach2093
  • 3 Points
  • 21:06:52, 19 January

Dude it was a fucking figure of speech. It's not like he said look at this miracle, it was clearly caused by God and now you must all worship him and give me all your money. Get your shitty intolerant ass back to /r/atheism.

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  • sjs
  • -23 Points
  • 20:51:47, 19 January

It is for some of us. I grew up in a Christian family and feel strongly about religion because of it. I think it's abusive to raise children in any religion. I see it was brain washing. I still have issues because I never bought into it and didn't know if I was crazy or if everyone else was.

So, yeah, some of us have strong opinions on religion and for good reasons.

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  • Kleptor
  • 4 Points
  • 21:00:17, 19 January

That still isn't any reason to jump on someone the second they mention anything remotely religious. That's just abusive.

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  • sjs
  • 0 Points
  • 21:07:23, 19 January

I didn't. And I didn't condone it either. I simply offered up my personal reason for finding religion offensive. If it's ok to feel strongly about religion when one is religious, it should be ok to feel strongly about it on the other side too.

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  • zach2093
  • 2 Points
  • 21:07:35, 19 January

He used a figure of speech, he didn't bring his child to fucking Jesus Camp.

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  • sjs
  • 0 Points
  • 21:14:01, 19 January

And I didn't say a single word about it, or to him at all. I'm just pointing out that for all the strong, positive feelings about religion there are others with strong, negative feelings about it. It evokes strong opinions on both sides. Expect chaos if you bring it up in a forum that has millions of people from all over the globe. Is this actually surprising to anyone?

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  • just_an_owl
  • 4 Points
  • 20:56:38, 19 January

Reddit, I... I just don't understand you. Here, most people are saying "There's nothing wrong with this person mentioning their religion" but go to another thread and people will be saying things like "Religion is inherently bad, and anyone who talks about their religion in public is a bad person." It seems very hypocritical to me that you can say one thing in a thread about creationism in schools, but turn around and say the complete opposite when responding to an actual religious person.

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  • dwindling
  • 2 Points
  • 21:02:38, 19 January

I don't believe in creationism in schools, but I respect other humans enough to let me believe whatever the fuck they want to, as long as they don't try to shove it on me.

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  • Dutch_Wilkerson
  • 1 Points
  • 21:19:52, 19 January

I think as long as creationism isn't taught as empirical fact, and other cultures creation stories are taught equally, then creationism should have a small part.

But maybe thats just because my parents didn't make me do religious education, so my RE classes consisted of me sitting outside playing lego, and i don't want other kids missing out on that

  • [-]
  • Suttonian
  • 3 Points
  • 21:09:49, 19 January

Reddit isn't a single person.

But anyway, being against creationism in schools is pretty different (at least to me) to allowing religious people to express themselves in an internet forum.

For the record, nope I don't think it was divine intervention. Things that have low chance of occurring do occur. It would be improbable that they wouldn't.

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  • SOwED
  • 35 Points
  • 19:44:54, 19 January

Guns jam. It had a chance of jamming in that instance and it did.

I think a miracle is something which has 0 chance of happening, but happens anyways. (Think loaves and fishes)

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  • HaMMeReD
  • 13 Points
  • 20:44:13, 19 January

I agree, guy is just lucky.

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  • nowai0815
  • -13 Points
  • 20:39:00, 19 January

> I think a miracle is something which has 0 chance of happening

FTFY

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  • AceroInoxidable
  • -1 Points
  • 21:08:12, 19 January

Best. FTFY. Ever.

  • [-]
  • Edu115
  • 6 Points
  • 20:48:32, 19 January

Help! /r/atheism is leaking!

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  • HoneyBadgers_Forever
  • 1 Points
  • 21:18:43, 19 January

OMMG WE CHRISTINS ARE BEIN OPRESED!

  • [-]
  • drunkenstyle
  • 0 Points
  • 20:59:06, 19 January

Props for speaking out in outspoken Atheist territory.

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  • luvintaters
  • 0 Points
  • 21:04:37, 19 January

stay strong. I don't have to have your faith to respect it. Screw anyone who says otherwise

  • [-]
  • njm1314
  • 35 Points
  • 19:41:42, 19 January

There are a lot of commenter that are being dicks true.

But do consider the implications of your comment. You are saying right here that your deity can take actual steps to prevent shootings in the world but chooses not to most of the time. All those children at Sandy Hook your god let die, but not this guy. That is what you are saying here. What if a commenter had a family member killed in a shooting? You basically just said you god wanted them dead, because if he could intervene then he chose not to. That has got to be offensive.

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 45 Points
  • 20:06:26, 19 January

I have a family member that died from getting shot. Stop getting butthurt by Kamon2011's comment. He meant well and that's exactly how it came across. What he said isn't offensive.

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  • d4nny
  • 2 Points
  • 21:14:02, 19 January

just because he doesn't comprehend the implications of his comment doesn't excuse him from them.

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  • rifk
  • 0 Points
  • 21:08:45, 19 January

>I have a family member that died from getting shot.

I like how you say this as if it means you have the authority to speak about if a gun jamming is the result of divine intervention.

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  • EternalFire
  • -3 Points
  • 20:54:50, 19 January

Just because it's not offensive to you doesn't mean it's not offensive.

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  • ablebodiedmango
  • -11 Points
  • 20:37:16, 19 January

He didn't mean well, he meant nothing. It's a pithy throwaway thing to say when you have no way to really explain something. It makes it easier for people to deal with reality.

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 1 Points
  • 20:42:12, 19 January

I am not religious, but people such as yourself that find very simple statements such as the one previously said offensive, I find just as bad as extremely religious folk that won't stop shoving religious down my throat. As a word of advice, keep your high sensitivity to yourself. It is not appreciated, it is just kind of sad.

Edit: How do you know he didn't mean well? Did you ask him?

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  • ablebodiedmango
  • -1 Points
  • 20:46:50, 19 January

lol, who said I found it offensive? Just stating a point regarding human psychology and how people cope with things.

I find it just as bad when people who want to take strawmen and put them in a person's actual place in order to make themselves feel smarter, and then shove simplistic garbage comments like yours down their throats. It's not appreciated, it's just kind of retarded.

Edit: Do you like moose? My sister had a moose once.

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 2 Points
  • 20:54:12, 19 January

I must admit that you did not say that you found it offensive, and I apologize for making that wrong assumption.

I do not really understand what you meant to say in your second paragraph, but I will attempt at a rebuttal. I'm not shoving anything down your throat, you chose to read my comment. I didn't follow you around shoving my comment in your face. If you don't like my comment, you don't have to respond. No one is making you.

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  • ablebodiedmango
  • 0 Points
  • 20:57:36, 19 January

I was merely responding to your irrelevant comment with one of my own in the same format as yours. You automatically assumed I was someone I'm not because I had a different opinion. That's going to make you look foolish.

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  • njm1314
  • -30 Points
  • 20:13:26, 19 January

To you. Do you speak for everyone? I find it kind of offensive.

I agree he meant well. But that doesn't mean you should be insensitive to the feelings of others. There are some sayings that might be okay to you but to others are terribly hurtful.

PS If he truly means well then he should take this opportunity to learn that it isn't always taken well.

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 4 Points
  • 20:31:27, 19 January

No, I do not speak for everyone, nor did I say that I do. However, why do you have to find it offensive though? He/she didn't personally insult or attack anyone. He/she mentioned divine intervention because that is part of his faith. No one said you had to agree with it. Why not respectfully disagree? Why do you need to feel offended? Why not just choose to move on, knowing that you have every right not to agree with him?

If you can't take someone mentioning their faith, then you sir/madam are incredibly sensitive and probably do not belong on the internet.

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  • njm1314
  • 2 Points
  • 20:49:55, 19 January

Did I say that you did speak for everyone? I believe I asked a question.

Was I disrespectful? Please point as to where. I believe all I did was point out why people have a negative reaction to what he said. Or do you believe disagreeing is an insult? That seems to be your thesis here.

And I do have the right to be offended if somebody says their deity chooses on a whim if my loved one is murdered or not. I find that very offensive. "God has a plan" is a terrible thing to say to someone grieving. Why do you feel the need to trample on people's feelings? Is your faith so important that you feel the need to force it upon someone in pain? Offense is not something you choose, it is a natural visceral reaction.

Or is it that you feel anyone who doesn't adhere to your worldview should never speak out?

>Why not just choose to move on, knowing that you have every right not to agree with him

I cannot respond to something posted on a public forum? Why not ask why he posted it in the first place? I have just as much reason to speak as he did do I not? Are people of faith so sensitive that they cannot take someone not agreeing with them?

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 1 Points
  • 21:09:19, 19 January

I answered your question and I did not say that you said that I speak for everyone, I simply answered in a very clear, clarified manner that seems to have been misinterpreted.

Disagreeing is not an insult depending on how one does it. For example, if one disagrees by using a personal attack, such as name calling, then it is an insult. But, if someone says/writes something well thought out, and just states their opinion, then it is not an insult. You were not insulting anyone and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was implying that.

You have the right to be offended, but I find it to be an overreaction in this case. To me, saying that "Wow, talk about divine intervention. Glad the guy's ok." is not at all the same as saying "It was God's plan for him to live". Even if he did say that second statement, I would not think twice about it. It's his belief and it's not physically harming anyone, nor is it a personal attack.

In this instant, the comment by Kamon2011 was just a voiced opinion. If I was grieving the death of a family member and someone said it was God's plan for them to die, I would show them the door immediately and invite them to take their beliefs somewhere else.

From a different comment: I am not religious and I do not believe in a God. What was said is not my belief, but I felt as though it was not disrespectful. Honestly, he said that he's glad the guy is ok, that's the important part!

You can respond to anything you want, but you do have the choice to just move on. I have done it hundreds of times, but this time I chose to speak out. Not everyone of faith is sensitive.

In short, I just believe it is silly to get offended over such a harmless comment which ended in relief that no one was killed.

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  • njm1314
  • 2 Points
  • 21:13:07, 19 January

Well that seems like a fair assessment. I still feel that people should understand that sometimes a phrase they use commonly can be hurtful to others and that they should be mindful of that possibility. And that nobody can decree how somebody should feel. But I do feel that I understand your point better. Thank you.

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  • Im_a_sassy_hamster
  • 1 Points
  • 21:15:18, 19 January

Thank you for your understanding reply.

To help me understand this whole situation better, why exactly would someone find the statement in question offensive?

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  • iRainMak3r
  • 1 Points
  • 21:08:47, 19 January

I love reddit.. But it saddens me to know that if I mention my faith I'll be downvoted.

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  • SloppyJoMo
  • 2 Points
  • 20:42:17, 19 January

Because no one knows how to not be offended in a disagreement anymore. Any counter argument is seen as a personal attack. Such is life.

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  • Hiyo802
  • -8 Points
  • 20:43:47, 19 January

Mature.

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  • dwindling
  • 0 Points
  • 21:01:01, 19 January

I think that's taking it a step too far.

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  • njm1314
  • 1 Points
  • 21:02:46, 19 January

In what way?

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  • dwindling
  • 1 Points
  • 21:12:55, 19 January

In terms of "talk about divine intervention," I think it's more used as a figure of speech then a carefully plotted out statement where the person considering the implications to every person who's ever had a gun pointed at them.

I mean, I'm an ABC, and people will sometimes say things (often slightly jokingly) like "lao tian ye must have saved me," even though the Chinese as a whole are pretty atheist/religious practices is more of a cultural thing. Dude, one of our saints is a talking monkey. (lao tian ye = basically god, but not quite.)

I don't like how OP doubled down in righteous religious fury, but I agree that there wasn't anything explicitly offensive about his statement.

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  • Kamon2011
  • -31 Points
  • 19:52:51, 19 January

It's a really hard line to walk, and I understand that it could make someone upset. There is a lot of evil in this world no doubt. It's a common conclusion to come to that why doesn't God just take it all away? Well that walks the fine line between his will and also free will, which is one of the hardest doctrines to understand. I still don't. But I'm not gonna stop seeing the good in this world because of the evil.

As a Christian I see God as a loving father and a caring lord, who doesn't want to see any of this pain. Sometimes he intervenes and sometimes he doesn't. Why does he choose sometimes and not others? I don't know, nor do I expect to fully now. He is my God and I respect and humbly trust his decisions, knowing that they are for the best because he sees the whole picture. It can be hard sometimes and my faith can start to waiver when I come face to face with evil. But I must remain steadfast in trusting him, knowing that he is working out fate in such a way that it will come to a beautiful ending.

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  • mrj014
  • 13 Points
  • 20:05:10, 19 January

Clearly god didn't respect the free will of the shooter in this instance if HE stopped the gun from firing.

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  • maddawg579
  • 9 Points
  • 20:19:26, 19 January

Those mental gymnastics you're doing right here? Yeah, those go away when you realize there's probably no god, and evil things happen simply because evil people exist.

Oh, and free will can't exist with a all-knowing, all-powerful god.

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  • maniek1188
  • 1 Points
  • 21:13:01, 19 January

See - that's logical conclusion - it won't work with people of faith. Same as logical conclusion to what happened is - gun jammed, or he forgot to chamber first round due to massive pressure and stress, safety was on or it was just staged. Also gif is not in same pace as video is, making it look like old guy is very fast with his reaction.

Anyways, now that OP has seen "divine intervention" he will stop working for Marsellus Wallace.

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  • hypocriteiknow
  • 5 Points
  • 20:12:40, 19 January

I'm glad you humbly trust the God that saved this politician but let my loving uncle die. I guess my uncle isn't good enough for God to save him?

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  • archeronefour
  • -6 Points
  • 20:27:04, 19 January

>shares opinion

>gets downvoted into oblivion

Welcome to reddit

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  • KrazieV
  • 8 Points
  • 19:14:52, 19 January

There are people saying it's staged.

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  • So_Alpha
  • 16 Points
  • 19:58:06, 19 January

There are people why think that Sandy Hook was staged. They're all nuts.

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  • HannPoe
  • 1 Points
  • 21:15:55, 19 January

This makes sense though. The guy lecturing is a declining leader of a declining party that needs attention - somehow. It is very improbable that any given person would be able to smuggle a gun in there and be able to get that close to the guy with said gun. Another point is: Why would he even want to get so close? A firearm is.. err.. ranged, it would be so much easier to shoot him from a distance but for some reason the guy chose to go melee - wtf -, and at that point a knife would be so much more effective. And yeah, even if you factor in the chance of him not being being able to smuggle a gun in there, the chance of not actually getting close to the guy, and convince yourself it is reasonably possible to happen, you'd have to convince yourself that either the "assassin" is a pro that did everything wrong and failed or a noob that did most of the things suprisingly right but made the wrong choices (range, weapon, means...). Because you know, even if he had succeded he would be enprisoned and interrogated, acting in melee range is just dumb. The fact that he managed to get that close with a weapon implies some serious preparation, and the way it turned out to be implies brain cancer. It doesn't match up, but even if you convince yourself that this "asssassination plot" is legit, you still have to consider the chance of the weapon jamming... it's too much to overlook, imo this is staged, and most bulgarians, from what I gather on YouTube, agree.

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  • toldstoy
  • 1 Points
  • 21:03:05, 19 January

This is not the same thing as Sandy Hook dude.

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  • islaydragons
  • 7 Points
  • 19:32:58, 19 January

The leader's reaction doesn't look staged.

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  • TwoChe
  • 1 Points
  • 21:03:30, 19 January

That would be the point. But I know nothing about this really, just that if it was staged acting surprised would be assumed.

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  • Kamon2011
  • 0 Points
  • 19:43:20, 19 January

Really? Hmm, that is a common proposition whenever something of this nature happens. Still, I'd like to see what they have seen to come to that conclusion.

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  • someone3225
  • -6 Points
  • 20:38:53, 19 January

They found the mans AR-15 in the trunk of the car not inside the school which is where he committed suicide and could not have possibly used in the school. What guns do they want to ban? It's staged

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  • zach2093
  • 1 Points
  • 21:09:14, 19 January

Dude a man killed a bunch of children it isn't staged by some government to ban guns. If they wanted to try and ban guns they would dump money into lobbying campaigns not kill people.

Shitty things happen and not every bad thing is a conspiracy.

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  • electronicManan
  • 21 Points
  • 19:14:54, 19 January

I'm sorry redditors are such assholes to people who think like you do.

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  • In_Class
  • -2 Points
  • 19:28:22, 19 January

Reading those comments, it reallllly seems like trolls.

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  • islaydragons
  • -1 Points
  • 19:39:11, 19 January

Seems to me like a bunch of asshole atheists acting like asshole atheists. Did you know they're the smartest of all redditors? True story.

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  • louis_xiv42
  • 12 Points
  • 19:40:10, 19 January

Post that cool story to advice animals, you will hit the front page.

  • [-]
  • islaydragons
  • 3 Points
  • 19:41:51, 19 January

You go ahead; all yours. I rarely wander into that part of reddit willingly.

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  • pseudojewboy
  • 2 Points
  • 21:11:23, 19 January

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=slKULc8W7lM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DslKULc8W7lM

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  • Fgame
  • 4 Points
  • 19:49:51, 19 January

It's a shame, the ones like that really ruin the image for the rest of us.

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  • rifk
  • 1 Points
  • 21:11:00, 19 January

>Did you know they're the smartest of all redditors? True story.

A few assholes represent atheists just like WBC represents Christians.

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  • In_Class
  • -2 Points
  • 19:55:00, 19 January

Ok, well those atheists make generalizations and alienate people and mocking atheist redditors, of which I am one, kind of alienates me. I'm on your side about them by the way.

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  • Kamon2011
  • -14 Points
  • 19:41:18, 19 January

It's ok, they just don't know any better. Even if you don't believe what I belief, I at least wish they'd be respectful and caring. I wouldn't go up to a Hindu and insult them for believing in a polytheistic religion, nor the Jews for not believing in Christ, nor the Arabs for any of theirs.

I might not agree with them but you shouldn't ever be rude or cruel. Especially if I want to spread the message of God's love, I should come to them with an open palm instead of a harsh tongue. And if someone believes I am wrong, I'd expect it'd be in their best interests to do the same. It makes it much harder to believe your argument or even listen when you come to me vindictive and cruel.

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  • Hiyo802
  • 5 Points
  • 20:51:26, 19 January

You saying "It's ok, they just don't know any better" is just a really douche thing to say. Its a very self-righteous thing to say as if you believe you are of higher education solely because of your religion.

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  • xKillaBeex
  • 4 Points
  • 19:44:30, 19 January

"Open palm instead of a harsh tongue." I love that!

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  • rifk
  • 1 Points
  • 21:14:25, 19 January

>It's ok, they just don't know any better.

Arrogance is a great way to start your comment that talks about tolerance.

Oh, they don't agree with me? They just don't know any better.

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  • sidewayspenguin
  • 2 Points
  • 20:59:24, 19 January

You have to remember that one of the largest subreddits is r/atheism. People here look for reasons to call you an ignorant, redneck, homeschooled racist. "Divine" anything automatically means the traditional Christian God to them and intervention is gasp implying he would do things. It's amazing how Reddit can be one of the most biased and anti-religious places on the internet especially when you considered how "open-minded" it claims to be. People get their panties in a bunch if you say you believe in a god. You don't have to tell them to convert or tell them they are going to hell, all you have to say is you think that an all powerful being exists and people will immediately accuse you of helping found Westboro Baptist.

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  • DerBarden
  • 2 Points
  • 21:01:22, 19 January

Don't worry about it man.

/r/atheism is just leaking and nobody likes them, except for themselves.

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  • workpuppy
  • 3 Points
  • 19:58:28, 19 January

Shrug. I think shit tends to go wrong in these situations because of the extreme pressure the assassin is under. Assassinations fail surprisingly often due to technical difficulties.

Still, I wouldn't downvote you for saying the "d" word.

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  • Dutch_Wilkerson
  • 0 Points
  • 21:15:02, 19 January

Just tell them to fuck off (or use more respectful terms if you wish). Your faith doesn't affect them in the slightest, and if this wasn't in fact staged, I would say it was definitely a fucking miracle he wasn't killed, no matter my stance on religion

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  • ajtothe
  • 1 Points
  • 21:16:30, 19 January

It's more annoying you made that obnoxious edit like people give a fuck about your religious views

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  • LanceWackerle
  • -6 Points
  • 19:35:02, 19 January

I think the reason people don't believe that something like divine intervention is that it doesn't make much sense. You can call it a lucky coincidence for this guy, but to believe that this (and anything else) is divine intervention, you have to believe

  1. God interacts with this world by performing miracles which are indistinguishable from coincidence

  2. He does it fairly randomly, helping bad people as much as he helps good people

In other words, where was divine intervention during 9-11?

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • -12 Points
  • 20:01:07, 19 January

He does not do so randomly but I do not claim to understand how he makes his decisions. Bad things happen in this world contrary to his will. To force his will upon the world would be to remove free will. So he acts sometimes. When and why? I don't know.

  • [-]
  • LanceWackerle
  • 9 Points
  • 20:29:08, 19 January

There are a few things about your statements that contradict each other. By the way, I'm just discussing this because I like to talk about this kind of thing, so let me know if it bothers you and I'll stop.

>To force his will upon the world would be to remove free will.

So either God intervenes in this world or he doesn't. If preventing 9-11 would be removing free will, then stopping this gunman through divine intervention would also be removing free will.

>He does not do so randomly but I do not claim to understand how he makes his decisions.

If you don't know how he makes his decisions, how do you know it's not random? Also how do you know this is one of those cases? Are all coincidences divine intervention?

  • [-]
  • calmainyourass
  • 2 Points
  • 20:38:00, 19 January

You just did.

"He does not do so randomly"

  • [-]
  • dwwoelfel
  • 3 Points
  • 20:32:31, 19 January

>So he acts sometimes. When and why? I don't know.

You seemed very sure that it was divine intervention in your original comment.

  • [-]
  • secretchimp
  • -44 Points
  • 19:04:54, 19 January

It's because it's a fucking stupid way of thinking. You don't get to pick and choose things that fell on the good side of chance as "miracles :) :) :)" when hundreds of people got shot in the face today. Fuck off.

  • [-]
  • electronicManan
  • 23 Points
  • 19:11:11, 19 January

/r/atheism could use your expertise. Now please, fuck off.

  • [-]
  • louis_xiv42
  • -12 Points
  • 19:41:22, 19 January

r/adviceanimals could use your bravery.

  • [-]
  • Large_Pimpin
  • 7 Points
  • 19:08:33, 19 January

It was a miracle for him at least.

  • [-]
  • phil_kracken
  • 5 Points
  • 19:11:14, 19 January

Don't be a dickhole. He is entitled to his opinion.

  • [-]
  • Wizuhd
  • 6 Points
  • 19:35:53, 19 January

Then isn't secretchimp entitled to his? Or are only people who share YOUR opinions are entitled to opinions?

  • [-]
  • xKillaBeex
  • 4 Points
  • 19:47:44, 19 January

Well I think he could have taken a better approach rather than saying, "...it's a fucking stupid way of thinking." don't you think?

  • [-]
  • phil_kracken
  • 2 Points
  • 19:52:49, 19 January

I do not agree with Kamon. I am atheist and it is just as annoying to see someone push their atheism on some one as it is to have religion pushed upon you. secretechimp can express his opinion without sounding arrogant. It is a shitty way to argue and is unproductive

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  • Hiyo802
  • 1 Points
  • 20:56:37, 19 January

How is he sounding arrogant? He is sounding angry how Kamon said that the gun failing was all God's will but God doesn't have time for every other person that gets killed by a gun shot to fucking face.

  • [-]
  • prozit
  • 2 Points
  • 20:52:01, 19 January

Indeed a stupid way of thinking, one might think he's actually retarded when you read his line of reasoning.

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • -16 Points
  • 19:11:16, 19 January

Then what is it? Is everything just apathetic chance?

  • [-]
  • Rorschach_Failure
  • 16 Points
  • 19:16:30, 19 January

Pretty much yea....That's how life works.

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • -14 Points
  • 19:25:34, 19 January

Well that sounds as absurd to me as I probably do to you, but I don't go around telling people to "fuck off."

  • [-]
  • Hiyo802
  • 0 Points
  • 20:57:22, 19 January

HEY! BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND NOT SWEAR GOSH DARN IT!

  • [-]
  • Rorschach_Failure
  • 1 Points
  • 19:29:58, 19 January

Neither did I, I'm not OP. But to think that somehow this is evidence of divine intervention is very stupid.

  • [-]
  • Blow-it-out-your-ass
  • -8 Points
  • 20:10:19, 19 January

Broken gun = divine intervention? Things break/malfunction ALL THE TIME, is it divine intervention then too?

It's that type of reasoning and logic that get's you religious nuts downvoted. I bet if I drop my PB & J right now and it landed with the jam side up you'd call that a miracle too.

  • [-]
  • secretvictory
  • -14 Points
  • 20:03:45, 19 January

It's not a miracle, though. It is a machine failing to operate properly. Is a dead battery a miracle or a fridge that freezes its contents?

Jesus turned water into wine and walked on water and rose from the dead. Moses parted the red sea. This is literally the equivalent of some guy not putting good batteries in his remote.

And if you hate reddit so much, leave. Christians are actively supressing gays and women and education in this country, you are free to come and go as you please from this website.

Edit. This website is turning into a right wing shit hole. When do the lynchings and burnings start?

  • [-]
  • smartalbert
  • -7 Points
  • 20:12:47, 19 January

miracle on camera? don't get it twisted: it's just a weird-ass coincidence.

  • [-]
  • visionaryshadow
  • -3 Points
  • 20:44:00, 19 January

Do you think that God stopped the gun from firing?

  • [-]
  • bfhurricane
  • -5 Points
  • 20:44:33, 19 January

Don't tell me you actually say "God Bless you" when someone sneezes :)

  • [-]
  • Jonesy92
  • -9 Points
  • 19:30:12, 19 January

I bet your wallet is the one that says bad motherfucker.

  • [-]
  • HakeemAbdullah
  • 1 Points
  • 21:01:47, 19 January

Ahhhh come on. This wasn't a troll response!

I'll upvote you, sir.

  • [-]
  • Thorsson
  • -82 Points
  • 18:39:11, 19 January

You're a fucking idiot.

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • 13 Points
  • 19:04:15, 19 January

What part of my statement makes me a fucking idiot?

  • [-]
  • Rorschach_Failure
  • -22 Points
  • 19:16:54, 19 January

The part where you confuse chance with divine intervention

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • -8 Points
  • 19:24:41, 19 January

So is it only chance?

  • [-]
  • Draxus
  • 1 Points
  • 21:17:06, 19 January

Absolutely. There's no need for the atheists posting here to be so rude though.

  • [-]
  • Rorschach_Failure
  • -3 Points
  • 19:28:01, 19 January

Yes. I'm sure whatever deity you believe in has wonderful reasons to let this Bulgarian politician live but allow the deaths of millions a day otherwise

  • [-]
  • dracho
  • 0 Points
  • 19:02:53, 19 January

... and just like that, bam, half of your total karma is now gone.

  • [-]
  • Dreamtrain
  • 0 Points
  • 19:59:35, 19 January

Just like the paper of that stoner chick from the Mac commercial

  • [-]
  • windmillofdoom
  • -43 Points
  • 19:16:08, 19 January

You are today's society idiot. You are a fool for your beliefs and I hope you realize that your children and your childrens children will look back at you and think of you as a simple religious zealot who didn't know any better. That will be your legacy.

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • 13 Points
  • 19:36:18, 19 January

How can I be a fool for my beliefs? It doesn't negatively impact my ability to live in society, in fact it actually encourages me to love and treat others with love and compassion. Considering about 73% of Americans also identify themselves as Christians, wouldn't you be considered the fool?

I am not a zealot. The problem with you is that you see anyone simply expressing their religious views through speech as a zealot. Therefore there isn't any religious person in the world that doesn't appear as a religious zealot to you.

I hope my legacy will be one of a great, compassionate man, that helped the poor, respected everyone regardless of their class, taught the importance of love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, compassion, raised his kids as a caring father, and was a shining example of the life God wants us to live.

I can only hope that is my legacy.

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  • calmainyourass
  • 2 Points
  • 20:44:23, 19 January

Christianity is hardly a loving compassionate religion if you actually read the bible. How does 73% of Americans being Christian mean the minority is the fool? So the Jews were the fools...got it.

  • [-]
  • louis_xiv42
  • -5 Points
  • 19:40:57, 19 January

>How can I be a fool for my beliefs?

Asking that is a good first step.

  • [-]
  • Kamon2011
  • 2 Points
  • 19:54:12, 19 January

Do you have the answer?

  • [-]
  • calmainyourass
  • 1 Points
  • 20:45:43, 19 January

Your religion is full of holes/contradictions and a sadistic asshole god.

  • [-]
  • louis_xiv42
  • -3 Points
  • 20:35:47, 19 January

Having foolish beliefs can mean you are a fool for your beliefs. You have foolish beliefs and you are a fool.

  • [-]
  • windmillofdoom
  • -5 Points
  • 19:48:30, 19 January

>Therefore there isn't any religious person in the world that doesn't appear as a religious zealot to you.

This is true. The biggest downer to my life is I will never live to see a world where not a single person is brainwashed to believing in religion.

  • [-]
  • Dreamtrain
  • 5 Points
  • 20:00:16, 19 January

Sure is angry in here.

  • [-]
  • intravenus_de_milo
  • -9 Points
  • 20:11:50, 19 January

Consider it's not the mention of the divine. Consider it's you implying this guy is more worthy to live than the countless miserable souls the world over who are gunned down everyday that aren't saved by mechanical failure.

  • [-]
  • [deleted]
  • -14 Points
  • 19:55:04, 19 January

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  • [-]
  • munoodle
  • 1 Points
  • 21:14:04, 19 January

Wow thanks for clearing that up, I don't think anyone here would've known what was being talked about without your glorious input

  • [-]
  • maneck35
  • 1 Points
  • 21:04:59, 19 January

>I didn't even say God this time!

I laughed way too much at this. It might be due to the fact that I imagined you as a small frustrated kid complaining.

I need to stop coding and get some sleep. Thanks for the laughs though; much needed!

  • [-]
  • rifk
  • 0 Points
  • 21:05:52, 19 January

You're probably getting harassed because a gun jamming is not at all evidence of divine intervention, whether you have faith or not. Stop acting like you're so persecuted.

  • [-]
  • aa24577
  • -15 Points
  • 19:53:33, 19 January

Why did God save this guy and not the children in the Sandy Hook shooting?

Hahaha, oh no. Now we're getting the new edgy pro-christian people. It's neo-edginess. Nobody can go against religion anymore

  • [-]
  • Dreamtrain
  • -2 Points
  • 19:59:04, 19 January

The same reason he helped that celebrity get that oscar or that football team win the superbowl.

  • [-]
  • calmainyourass
  • 1 Points
  • 20:47:27, 19 January

Cause he is an asshole.

  • [-]
  • bestredditorNA
  • -17 Points
  • 20:41:31, 19 January

Get over yourself, downvotes aren't the end of the world you faggot

EDIT: WTF DOWNVOTES OHMAHGAWD U NAZIS

  • [-]
  • DeboStevo
  • 0 Points
  • 20:46:10, 19 January

K, heres one for you.

  • [-]
  • AceroInoxidable
  • -4 Points
  • 21:07:27, 19 January

A miracle? hahahahahaha

Yes, I clearly see God waving behind the characters.

  • [-]
  • lolDirtyMouth
  • -7 Points
  • 20:43:51, 19 January

i hate how everytime someone bitches about downvotes, they get upvoted..

keep your faith and don't give a shit about the sheep.