"I think that banning downvote brigades from ShitRedditSays is actively harmful to this site. CMV" (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
219 ups - 89 downs = 130 votes
252 comments submitted at 13:12:32 on Jan 14, 2014 by david-me
"I think that banning downvote brigades from ShitRedditSays is actively harmful to this site. CMV" (np.reddit.com)
SubredditDrama
219 ups - 89 downs = 130 votes
252 comments submitted at 13:12:32 on Jan 14, 2014 by david-me
>What you're describing is basically Stormfront. And there's a difference between ganging up and downvoting racism and sexism and ganging up and being sexist as hell.
Oh I get it now. OP honestly believes that this is what SRS does.
>I'm going to guess nothing. A lot of what I'm talking about is that Reddit seems to have this huge strawman developed in their head about what "modern feminism" is and then circlejerks ferociously around early extremist second wave feminism as if that somehow resembles modern feminism in the slightest.
Probably don't want to use "circlejerk" as an insult while defending SRS.
>One of those people is a racist and the other is either being ironic or is sexist. That certainly isn't representative of the majority.
Yes, it sure would be unfair to condemn an entire site of thousands of people for the jokes/bigoted comments of a few.
Now back to condemning a site of millions for the jokes/bigoted comments of a few.
>Yes, it sure would be unfair to condemn an entire site of thousands of people for the jokes/bigoted comments of a few.
It's not unfair to condemn an entire site of thousands of people when we get racist comments and image macros regularly upvoted in their thousands. It isn't just a minority view when these things are regularly upvoted to the front page.
SRS is meant to be calling out all the bigotry on this website (and there is a lot), they might not do it particularly eloquently but their aim is to highlight that often reddit is racist/sexist as shit.
> It's not unfair to condemn an entire site of thousands of people when we get racist comments and image macros regularly upvoted in their thousands.
An entire site of millions.
So of the 20 million or redditors if a comment is upvoted a thousand times that indicates 0.005% of reddit supports it.
For comparison SRS has 46,000 users, to achieve such a high level of support there a comment would need two upvotes.
Suffice it so say that any comment with 2 upvotes or more speaks for all of SRS?
Fair is fair.
>SRS is meant to be calling out all the bigotry on this website
By being bigoted immature trolls?
>they might not do it particularly eloquently but their aim is to highlight that often reddit is racist/sexist as shit.
Yes I remember their principled stand against pancake sex.
How about if we look at the actual voting population instead of all subscribers? Most top posts in SRS get around 150 points, whereas most top posts in /r/adviceanimals get around 4000 points. There will always be a certain segment of subscribers that just doesn't vote.
If you want to really assume that there's a huge mass of Redditors that aren't as bigoted as many top posts are, but just don't ever vote, that's okay, but I don't see a reason not to assume the front page is representative of reddit.
Firstly upvotes don't work like that. They're fuzzed. It could get hundreds of thousands of upvotes and only show a few k. The defaults regularly get racist shit upvoted as some of their most popular content that day, there are literally thousands of posts submitted daily on the defaults and racist ones are often sent to the top.
Who are SRS being bigoted against? White men? I'd argue it's self-depreciating humour considering SRS is mainly white men.
The ratios are fuzzed. The scores are not.
SRS is a self proclaimed circlejerk and downvoting shitty comments is not condemnation of an entire website.
> SRS is a self proclaimed circlejerk
Sometimes is satire, sometimes it's legitimate social justice activism.
Depends on the day and which SRSer you're talking about.
And you're lying to yourself if you believe SRS doesn't routinely condemn all of reddit.
/also the definition of "shitty" here seems to be highly variable. Jokes are deemed legitimately hateful and are brigaded while jokes in SRS that are far more vile are considered acceptable because they're just jokes.
//additionally I thought SRS didn't brigade? And yet here you are declaring that they are dedicated to downvoting "shitty" comments that they link to.
> Sometimes is satire, sometimes it's legitimate social justice activism.
And sometimes it's a platform for likeminded individuals to discuss the 85% reduction of white US population by violent means ;)
> And sometimes it's a platform for likeminded individuals to discuss the 85% reduction of white US population by violent means ;)
Violent means if necessary.
She was also amenable to other options.
>Violent means if necessary.
>She was also amenable to other options.
With all apologies to Godwin, Hitler said he was amenable to other solutions too. It doesn't make these "other solutions" any more palatable.
Wasn't that in /r/blackladies? What am I missing?
Actually, the charming individual to whom you're referring was banned from SRS. But don't let me interrupt your jerk.
Or the considered discussion over at /r/KillWhitey.
Oh come on, that sub is downright hilarious.
>the charming individual to whom you're referring was banned from SRS.
only because she didn't make an exception for white women. white cis male genocide would have been ok, and excused as either "satire" or "rightful anger against muh oppressurs".
the screenshots from the mod mail when she was banned are pretty clear.
> the screenshots from the mod mail when she was banned are pretty clear.
Ohh, could I get a link to that please? I'm curious how that episode concluded.
They posted the screenshots here.
Yeah, they were, with a shitton of apologies and everything.
SRS have never tried to fix anything or change the views of reddit bigoted masses. They're a circlejerk and a place to vent and nothing more. The majority agree but like with any group some within it will see it has having purpose, but it is circlejerk by design.
/The apparently hypocritical jokes about men or white people aren't truly hypocritical as when they complain about jokes about minorities they are not complaining about the jokes themselves but the racist or sexist viewpoints they support and propagate; jokes about white guys eating mayonnaise doesn't hold the same history of similar jokes being used to shame and mock minorities.
//I assumed you'd think of SRS as a brigade regardless so I thought I'd humour you.
> SRS have never tried to fix anything or change the views of reddit bigoted masses. They're a circlejerk and a place to vent and nothing more.
Depends on which one you ask.
>the apparently hypocritical jokes about men or white people aren't truly hypocritical
You probably think you invented the ol' "it's ok when we do it" routine.
>I assumed you'd think of SRS as a brigade regardless so I thought I'd humour you.
Nice attempt at a save. You slipped and were honest for a moment. That's not such a terrible thing. Don't backpeddle now.
> SRS have never tried to fix anything or change the views of reddit bigoted masses. They're a circlejerk and a place to vent and nothing more. The majority agree but like with any group some within it will see it has having purpose, but it is circlejerk by design.
So it's a safe space/echo chamber from which users can go harass people in different parts of Reddit and downvote opinions that they don't like. That's just adorable.
> So it's a safe space/echo chamber from which users can go harass people in different parts of Reddit and downvote opinions that they don't like. That's just adorable.
Hate to be that guy, but this could be a description of almost any meta subreddit (outside the safe space part.) From bestof to SRD to SRS. They all cross link and have their own echo chamber effects either based on thread (look at the way threads swing on SRD or Bestof) or the subreddit itself (something like SRS.) All meta subs also have varying degrees of "brigading," bestof being the most dramatic usually. You can also see this is more than one meta sub links to a chain, the vote craziness intensifies.
outside of SRS subreddits you may get downvoted, but not banned and deleted for disagreeing with the majority.
afaik the only other subreddits that suppress dissent like that are far-left fringe ideologies, redpill, and one of the far-right subreddits.
It's that "safe space" part that makes them different from those other subs you mentioned. SRD isn't going to ban you for having a certain opinion. I actually have no problem with them having a closed discussion, but when they want to use that "safe space" to harass others, it becomes overwhelmingly hypocritical.
If srs never tried to fix anything, I'd like to see how you can explain Reddit Bomb as anything else.
Quoth the 4chan "Ironic shitposting is still shitposting"