"Equal rights equal fights" drama in r/JusticePorn when one user expresses his contempt for the userbase of r/PussyPassDenied (np.reddit.com)
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49 comments submitted at 20:06:16 on Nov 11, 2014 by Shady_As_Fudge
Can't we all just stop hitting each other please?
what, are you a sjw or something?
Huh, when I think of /r/pussypassdenied, championing equality isn't the first theme that comes to mind.
We should make a sub where we post vids of catcalling guys getting their nuts kicked. /r/cockcardrevoked
I am sure these champions of equality would approve. Equal calls, equal balls.
Personally, I'd rather violent responses to conflict not be glorified and salivated over.
Pfft. You are such a bigot.
Ignoring the type of content /r/PussyPassDenied normally has (girl hits guy, Guy escalates it by hitting far harder than needed) if you're such a douche bag that you think hitting someone is the best course of action, don't be surprised of you get hit or end up in jail (this applies to everyone. Even if someone hit's you, don't just immediately hit them back. Violence never solve anything. Be the bigger person and just walk away).
It's pretty easy to see the motivation behind their philosophy.
A logical person who believes in equal rights says "Women should not be allowed to hit men without being prosecuted."
A person who is interested in beating women says "Men should be allowed to hit women who hit them first."
Indeed. The "They hit me, I hit them" mentality is very childish.
The bigger person didn't get the memo so he didn't walk away
> Actually it's about gender equality.
the jokes are just writing themselves now
This is actually about ethics in fist-to-the-face cinematography.
Pussypass and pussypassdenied is definitely starting to gain more traction in default subs and subs I used to frequent, which is making me consider leaving reddit entirely. The dog-whistle misogyny is as bad as the dog-whistle racism.
They spam mentions of the sub whenever and wherever they can.
I'd like to know how these people can assume that the women in the majority of these videos are trying to "use their gender as a handicap". There's certainly no indication of such in the video posted there. It almost seems like they want to use "equality" and "sexism" as an excuse to watch people hurt women. But no, /r/BeatingWomen was banned, so that couldn't possibly be it. Hmm.
People do make a lot of assumptions based on 12 seconds of video, definitely.
But the reality is that people sometimes become bullies when they have what they consider to be a layer of protection. For some people, it's being in a crowd of friends and targeting someone who's alone. For some, it's targeting someone smaller. For some, it's being a woman and targeting a man. It happens. No one can really say what was going on in that video (or others like it). Those who have felt this kind of harassment in their life or seen it happen to others will be more likely to assume that that's what's going on, and form an opinion based on that.
Beating women still exists. It just has a 2 at the end now. And since the original wasn't banned for content but for moderator actions, it'll not likely go anywhere unless a jailbait or fappening shitstorm brews.
But they're totally not misogynists!
Because all women can't be trusted and use sex as a weapon, obviously.
> I'd like to know how these people can assume that the women in the majority of these videos are trying to "use their gender as a handicap".
It's not that they're actively trying to "use their gender as a handicap" it's that they've grown up with the belief that they are not allowed to be hit.
> It almost seems like they want to use "equality" and "sexism" as an excuse to watch people hurt women.
. . . women who are starting fights. Why do you guys always ignore that part? Just about all of those videos start with a woman being the primary aggressor and instigator.
If it's not about the gender of someone getting hit, why isn't /r/justiceporn enough? The pussypass and pussypassdenied subs reek with bitterness towards women. The posters there feel like women have unfair advantages over men and use those subs as an outlet to cope with their perceived threat to their masculinity. The phrase "equal rights, equal lefts/fights" is itself a veiled threat; if you want equal rights, then there'll be no holding back if we ever get into a physical altercation.
> The pussypass and pussypassdenied subs reek with bitterness towards women.
It's bitterness toward female privilege.
> The posters there feel like women have unfair advantages over men
In several areas women do have unfair advantages over men.
> The phrase "equal rights, equal lefts/fights" is itself a veiled threat; if you want equal rights, then there'll be no holding back if we ever get into a physical altercation.
It's not a veiled threat. It's just an acknowledgment that if women want equality with men for the good things, they have to be willing to give up their privileges in other areas.
eta: Basically, you can't say "I am equal to men and should be treated as such - unless I punch you, then you have to just take it."
lol thanks for reminding me why I have you -57 on res
I don't know what that means.
it's actually about gender equality
I think you mean ethics in gaming journalism.
well i don't want to beat a dead horse
unless it's a female horse
equality # activism #equalhoovesqualshoots
It means he holds grudges for a long time and uses software to help him do it.
> It's bitterness toward female privilege.
Nice~
Men don't grow up with the assumption that they won't be hit, yet men instigate fights with each other all the time. What's their excuse? Some people are just assholes.
What all this is really about is putting women back in their place and reminding them that men are really the ones with the power.
>Men don't grow up with the assumption that they won't be hit, yet men instigate fights with each other all the time. What's their excuse? Some people are just assholes.
I think the point they are making is that attacking someone with the expectation that the person being attacked cannot fight back is worse than attacking someone you expect to fight back.
>What all this is really about is putting women back in their place and reminding them that men are really the ones with the power.
I think that's slightly unfair characterization but passable. Why do you leave of the fact that it's aggressive instigating women though?
I think
>What all this is really about is putting aggressive instigating women back in their place and reminding them that men are really the ones with the power.
Is a fairer description.
> Men don't grow up with the assumption that they won't be hit, yet men instigate fights with each other all the time. What's their excuse?
They don't have one. But when a guy gets his ass kicked for acting like an asshole nobody rushes in to defend him.
If I walk up to someone, spit in their face and throw a punch - nobody is going to say "You don't hit a guy!" when I get laid out. People are going to say "Don't spit in someone's face."
> They don't have one. But when a guy gets his ass kicked for acting like an asshole nobody rushes in to defend him.
I'd argue in favor of pretty much anyone who was physically attacked for "acting like an asshole." Direct self-defense is the only justification for violence, punishing someone who was rude is not.
>If I walk up to someone, spit in their face and throw a punch - nobody is going to say "You don't hit a guy!" when I get laid out. People are going to say "Don't spit in someone's face."
I wouldn't say "you don't hit a guy," but I would say "you don't knock someone out for spitting in your face." Because spitting in someone's face isn't a threat to someone's life or safety. Now, if you threw a punch, it's justified to punch you as well, but face-spitting isn't anywhere near as dangerous as a face-punch.
So if I spit in your face, you will turn the other cheek?
I sure as hell won't punch you. I'd probably call you a cocksucker though, and ask a bouncer to remove you. If there are no bouncers around, I'd back away slowly until I was at a safe distance and then leave the situation via whatever means was most convenient.
Could it be that men "fighting" women isn't actually fair? No, that can't be it....
> What excuses are men making to hit women that isn't deemed justified?
Well, in this case the woman had backed off. There was nothing to be gained from knocking her out. Hardly justified.
And yes, I would say that about a situation with two men, two women or switched genders as well.
She didn't really back off. She was using the bouncer to keep distance and slipping in to throw punches when his back was turned. If she'd backed off she would've walked away from the situation.
The punch was overboard, but I think you're exaggerating. The bouncer should've just blocked the girls and let the guy walk away, since he wasn't actively attacking them (at the start).
At the end, she'd backed off more, and was backing further off when he ran over and knocked her out. He could easily have gotten away. It's right there in the video, I'm not exaggerating at all.
Well, there seemed to be a pattern of her throwing a punch, back peddling, and then throwing another punch once the bouncer's back was turned. It'd be different of her back was turned and she was walking away, but it didn't look like she was trying to leave the situation, only his punching range.
Her intention in backing off doesn't matter. He had a clear path of escape, and chose to knock her out instead.
I don't understand, I already said the punch was unacceptable. I just think the bouncer fumbled the situation, only the woman was violent until she actually landed a punch. A guy in a patriarchal culture probably isn't going to back down/run away from a woman, but a bouncer could have easily (and justifiably) removed the woman from that situation.
EDIT: I just don't think we need to pretend the woman was going to back off once she landed a punch.
And I don't understand why you accused me of exaggerating when what I said was that he wasn't justified in knocking her out when she'd backed off enough that there was clearly an alternative.
'Patriarchal culture' is not an excuse to act like an ass. I'm a guy, and I wouldn't do that. The majority of men I know have enough sense to walk away when they're in a shitty situation like that.
EDIT: By back off, I meant she was backing away so that she was off him so he could get away, which is pretty obvious from my previous comment.
>And I don't understand why you accused me of exaggerating when what I said was that he wasn't justified in knocking her out when she'd backed off enough that there was clearly an alternative.
Because I never said "he wasn't justified in punching her" was an exaggerating, I said that "she was backing off" was an exaggeration. And I wasn't excusing his actions. I just didn't see indication that she was going to stop attacking the guy. So I think that saying "she was backing off" was an exaggeration.
By back off, I meant she was backing away so that she was off him so he could get away, which is pretty obvious from my previous comment.
Ah, I took it to mean removing yourself from a situation, which is a pretty common usage of the phrase. I didn't see that last edit.
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That was distressing to read, that guy was like the only sane person in that thread. That said, some people who take an odd glee in going out of their own way to see people 'get what's coming to them' in places like /r/JusticePorn and /r/pussypassdenied would probably have a questionable way in which they see the world in the first place.
Still, it is pretty disgusting that they try and hide behind the shield of equality when they really just want to see women get hurt. I mean, if they don't care about someone's sex and are all for equality like they say then wouldn't /r/JusticePorn be enough? Surely posts with women in get submitted there right? Why does there need to be a sub explicitly about women getting hit?
In all honesty though, I'm just surprised there isn't a sub like pussypass but for black people, or effeminate gay men or something.
I'm thinking that the guy's SAN score has already reached 0.
Now, as I understand it, his objections is not over "is it fair for a man to fight back when hit by a woman?"; basically, from what I read, he thinks /r/pussypassdenied is misogynistic since it glorifies violence against women, even if it seems justified.
Although I can see his point, the smug, "oh, why are you intimidated by strong women" tone doesn't really make me want to cheer for him. Oh well, it's an okay drama. I give it a 6/10.
While I don't agree the excessive force is needed, I can definitely understand why it may be cathartic to watch those sorts of videos. I don't care for feminists nor MRAs, so watching both get a beatdown is nice.