You can complete "No Stone Unturned" without finding all of the Stones of Barenziah. (self.skyrim)

skyrim

398 ups - 41 downs = 357 votes

This works on XBOX. I haven't tested it on PS3 or PC, but it should still work.

You will need:

  • Whirlwind Sprint Shout
  • 2 Platters (Wooden Bowls or Plates should work as well)
  • The ability to fight your way through many Falmer/Chaurus

Instructions:

  • Go to Tovald's Cave.
  • Fight your way through the cave, all the way to Tovald's Crossing.
  • Fight your way through Tovald's Crossing until you reach a divided path.
  • If you take the path to the right, you should come to a dead-end and find a skeleton on the ground, a Tattered Journal, and a staff. The dead end will look like a collapsed hallway.
  • Pull out one of your Platters and press it against the rubble blockage at the end of the hallway. (It has to be touching the wall for this to work.)
  • Whirlwind Sprint through the Platter. This may take a few attempts.
  • If done properly, you should have passed through the wall and made it into a rather large room, with rubble, skeletons, and chaurus corpses scattered around.
  • At the far end of this room, you should find The Crown of Barenziah.
  • After taking the crown, a few spectral elf warriors will appear and initiate combat, defeat them.
  • Return to the wall you entered in. If yo look to the right of this wall, there should be a flatish brown cave-wall. Pull out the other Platter, press it against the wall, and Whirlwind Sprint through it.
  • If done properly, you should fall through the level and will appear back at the entrance to Tovald's Crossing.
  • Finish fighting your way through the cave and return to Vex to claim your reward!
  • Happy Hunting!

119 comments submitted at 13:48:07 on Jan 17, 2013 by EvengerX

  • [-]
  • axdula
  • 66 Points
  • 14:52:41, 17 January

Nice, but on PC, TCL

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  • Exovian
  • 41 Points
  • 16:55:20, 17 January

But that's cheating...

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  • dimmidice
  • 90 Points
  • 17:13:10, 17 January

abusing a glitch is cheating as well.

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  • iamkush
  • -39 Points
  • 17:15:15, 17 January

Yeah, but with a glitch, you have to put in time and effort to find it and make it work. Using console commands is outright breaking the rules of the game. With glitches, all you're doing is exploiting them.

It's not even close to the same thing, lol.

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  • firefae_ignis
  • 35 Points
  • 17:17:35, 17 January

Either way you're just pressing buttons.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • -1 Points
  • 17:20:38, 17 January

Nope. you have to admit, between exploiting glitches and using console commands, exploiting glitches is way more fun.

I mean, you could use console commands to just get the Crown, or use TCL to turn off collision. But how is that fun?

But that feeling of finding glitches to use in the game, and that awesome feeling of success when you finally manage to break the rules after what feels like hours of effort- that feeling is awesome, wouldn't you agree?

Edit: welp, looks like I'm the only one. But great job on promoting open and honest discussion, guys! Keep up the good work!

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  • Cavauro
  • 8 Points
  • 17:52:51, 17 January

I would exploit a glitch just for the sake of doing it rather than for the obvious "end goal". I like to go a bit deeper into games in technical senses. Usually in my second or third playthrough of a game I'll toggle the collision detection off to look around and see if there's any leftovers outside of normal boundaries.

If I just wanted to cheat and feel like I "earned" it though, I wouldn't argue that exploiting glitches is any more legitimate or anything. I don't think you can both cheat to get something and earn it at the same time. Any "time and effort" is greatly exaggerated in any case.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • 5 Points
  • 18:51:56, 17 January

> I would exploit a glitch just for the sake of doing it rather than for the obvious "end goal".

Exactly. This is why I use glitches, and not console commands. I'm just complaining about the vast number of people on here who use console commands every time something goes wrong, and then complain that the game is too easy. Those people have noone to blame except themselves.

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  • Obliviousobi
  • 1 Points
  • 23:03:47, 17 January

I have a friend that played Farm Simulator for days just looking for glitches/exploits, he had tons of fun.

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 8 Points
  • 17:42:53, 17 January

> that feeling is awesome, wouldn't you agree?

No, I don't agree. That is all.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • 3 Points
  • 18:50:09, 17 January

Have you ever tried?

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 0 Points
  • 19:36:20, 17 January

Honestly never got the appeal. From way back in the day I can remember my buddies attempting to glitch up GTA San Andreas, trying to rocket launch firetrucks into the stratosphere and what not while I was wandering around the wilderness of the game for hours trying to follow up on all the rumors about "the big foot" creature the developers "might" have put into the code.

In the same sense, I find my satisfaction in Skyrim by searching out and discovering things such as "the Headless Horseman" easter egg rather than Whirlwind Sprinting continually through the floor in an attempt to fall through the game map and eventually land at the summit of High Hrothgar somehow.

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  • iamkush
  • 3 Points
  • 20:08:45, 17 January

Honestly? Because it's cool and funny. Console commands are just boring, lol. Other than fixing major glitches, there's really no need for them, unless you just want to fuck around- which you can do with glitches too! XD

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  • RaykoX
  • 2 Points
  • 20:25:28, 17 January

I for one definetly agree, I'd much rather use a glitch than use a console command. :)

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 23:30:16, 17 January

I'm glad I posted this. It was worth all the downvotes to get people to admit that they don't agree with the hivemind :D more power to you!

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  • Rouxez
  • 2 Points
  • 20:35:02, 17 January

I agree and disagree. There's a few glitches I've exploited in various games because they're hilarious, but bypassing an entire questline by exploiting faults is still cheating. If you're going to spend hours trying to accomplish something by using a glitch, why not just do the thing legit? It'll probably take a similar amount of time and you're not middle-fingering the game designers. Using a console code to give you the crown or setting skill levels is beyond even cheating though, I mean why are you even playing the game at that point?

Also, telling people that they're close-minded because they don't agree with you is kinda close minded. People are being open minded and honest as far as I can tell, they simply have a different opinion.

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 23:25:37, 17 January

Downvoting is not being open-minded. It says, "i don't agree with you, therefore I am going to censor your opinion and pretend it never existed."

At least you're replying to me with a reasonable argument. That's more than enough for me, knowing that I'm doing my part to promote quality discussion on this subreddit. And you have to admit, my unprovoked insults did convince you to respond, didn't they? that was the entire point.

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  • kpftw
  • 1 Points
  • 19:57:25, 17 January

I agree with you. Glitches are more interesting than console commands. But apparently thinking this gets you downvoted.

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 2 Points
  • 20:30:17, 17 January

Making an argument that one method of cheating/exploiting a game is superior to another method of cheating/exploiting gets a downvote. At least that's my reasoning. As someone else mentioned...

< Either way you're just pressing buttons.

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  • Reverencium
  • 1 Points
  • 20:08:05, 17 January

Eh, most gaming subreddits are run by the PC master race, with their fancy mods and console commands. PC versions usually are better I guess, but come on guys! Let us console players have our fun too!

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  • iamkush
  • -4 Points
  • 20:07:39, 17 January

Going against the hivemind on Reddit gets you downvoted, period. but i don't care. By providing a contrasting opinion, I'm doing my part to make this subreddit a better place for open and honest discussion, even if the rest of the Redditards don't understand why I'm doing it.

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 3 Points
  • 20:39:55, 17 January

Calling out the other people you're in a discussion with as "tards" of any shade really isn't pushing this sub towards that "better place for open and honest discussion" that your claiming to work towards. Might want to rethink the way you're approaching your target audience. There's a time and a place for the Devil's Advocate kind of bit.

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 23:23:31, 17 January

There will never be a right time and place to play devil's advocate as long as the hivemind exists. That's the whole point.

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  • 0011110000110011
  • 2 Points
  • 21:16:37, 17 January

Saying "hivemind" gets you downvoted, period. Saying "Redditards" is the same. It's kind of hypocritical, since you are on reddit, too.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • 2 Points
  • 23:20:45, 17 January

I don't particularly care. the point is to show them how stupid they're being, regardless of upvotes/downvotes. i'm nothere to karma whore. just point out a few hard truths.

Also, nice username. I was going to ask you how you remember that, but then I saw the pattern :D

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  • Vaginuh
  • 3 Points
  • 20:10:08, 17 January

Getting a little controversial now...

  • [-]
  • ginx2666
  • -2 Points
  • 20:24:51, 17 January

Okay, let's compare it to an assassination, where you have to appear on a party and kill a host.

"Glitch" way would be to arrive dressed like a guest, and carefully observe and remember host's routines, where people are looking, where are guards, what tools you have at your disposal, and use this to stage an accident where host chokes on an olive/gets crushed under falling chandelier.

"Console cheat" way is just driving into villa, getting out in a full body armour and shooting host in a head with a shotgun.

Both ways end up with a host dead, but the former one requires thinking.

  • [-]
  • Bwent
  • 9 Points
  • 17:42:01, 17 January

Rules to a single player game? Ill play it how i see fit.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • -5 Points
  • 17:45:37, 17 January

Sure. I'm not here to tell you how to play. But I almost guarantee you that you'll get no satisfaction from using console commands. I've been playing vanilla skyrim for a year and a half now, on PS3 of all things, and I still enjoy it as much as the day I started. Can you say the same?

  • [-]
  • Bwent
  • 4 Points
  • 17:47:23, 17 January

Yes, yes i can. Over 800 hours logged on pc. Still love it as much as i did the first day i got it.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • -2 Points
  • 18:50:23, 17 January

I see, well then, more power to you!

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  • FuzzBuket
  • 3 Points
  • 17:52:02, 17 January

I so using tfc 1 to take photos is abuse? Or setskill instead of making 1000 iron daggers. Then spawning 2 elder dragons as a challange for your new kit.

  • [-]
  • iamkush
  • 0 Points
  • 18:45:50, 17 January

Abuse? Wtf are you talking about? And didn't I already say that if you're making machinima (i.e. fucking around) it's okay to use as many console commands as you want?

I'm saying using console commands to get the best items or skip questlines you don't like will backfire on you eventually, because you'll be missing the good parts of the game. And yes, if you use Setskill to 100 for blacksmithing, I DO consider that cheating, just as I would consider the Oghma Infinum glitch cheating. Maybe I'll change my mind on that one day, but for now, I'm simply not going to do it, because Skyrim is more fun when you actually have to work for everything. Make sense?

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  • FuzzBuket
  • 0 Points
  • 19:12:14, 17 January

Which is why i added the dragon fighting bit. Sorta like a gm in d&d?

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  • Andres1t0
  • 1 Points
  • 20:53:57, 17 January

I like to play vanilla, though the only reason I use console commands is to add trees to Whiterun. It makes the game more immersive, for me at least.

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 23:22:05, 17 January

i see no problem with that at all, lol. I'm not hating on people with PC's I just don't like whiners who use console commands to make the game easier for themselves and then complain it's not hard enough. They piss me off.

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  • molybdenum42
  • 2 Points
  • 18:56:54, 17 January

I play modded on PC. QED.

Also, please stop telling people how to have fun.

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  • iamkush
  • 0 Points
  • 20:06:32, 17 January

I'm not. Stop projecting your bias. if you're having fun, I don't care. It's the ones who're not having fun that I have a problem with.

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  • molybdenum42
  • 2 Points
  • 20:08:05, 17 January

how can you tell if they're having fun by reading reddit comments?

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 20:13:08, 17 January

it seemed to me like people use console commands for everything, and that really annoys me because I just read 3 heavily upvoted posts the other day about how Skyrim is "so boring" and "I just can't get into it", and these people were on PC, had Dawnguard and Hearthfire, and were running about 50 mods. It just really annoys me that these people keep on complaining about Skyrim being boring when they're not even playing it the way it's meant to be played. I play Vanilla Skyrim on PS3 and I have about 500 hours on it. I'm not even CLOSE to bored, so obviously these guys are doing something wrong.

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  • ThePegasi
  • 3 Points
  • 17:22:40, 17 January

Both are breaking the rules of the game, the difference is how you achieve it and how much effort it takes. Cheating which takes loads of effort is still cheating, just arguably less worth it since you're not saving much effort or time. In this case, however, the time taken to achieve the glitch is still way down on actually completing the quest manually.

It's incredibly close to the same thing.

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  • iamkush
  • -5 Points
  • 17:28:27, 17 January

Nope, because the way I see it, using a glitch is WAY more fun than using console commands. I never understood people who use console commands. Unless you're making machinima, then what's the point? Just type in the code to completing every quest and get all the best weapons in the game, and then what? Run around killing innocent villagers? Use console commands or TCL every time something becomes even slightly difficult?

Honestly speaking, I just don't see their value. They stop the game from being played the way it's meant to be played. Well, so do glitches, but not as much as console commands.

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  • Kelmi
  • 2 Points
  • 17:47:51, 17 January

I like to look at it black and white; both are plain cheating. You're doing something that shouldn't be allowed to do something faster.

There's also glitches that are very easy to do(can't remember any examples, and I'm not gonna find any) in many games. As easy or easier than using console commands.

Basically, both glitching and console commands breaks the game, but why not? If it makes it funnier for you, go for it. Skyrim for me is all about roleplaying and making my own rules(don't abuse enchanting etc.) and sometimes using couple console commands to make certain parts easier/possible.

Personally I don't understand why glitching would be funnier at all, it's just finding a glitch by reading it online and then trying to do it yourself, wasting time at shouting yourself at a wall several times until you get through. Why not just simplify it with TCL?

Also, your first paragraph was just a ridiculous overreacting. You can do that but why would you? You could also make a godmode character by abusing enchanting/alchemy and eliminate the need to TCL away. Glitching is just extra time used to cheat, taking that little bit more time doesn't justify cheating.

Tl;dr Sorry for this confusing and badly written post, I just wanted to say, do what you want to make the game fun, minmax your character with enchants/potions if you want, use glitches to make the game easier, or just use console commands when you want. There is no one right way to play Skyrim.

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 18:49:52, 17 January

i agree with you. I'm just complaining because a lot of people on here, and a couple of people I know IRL, use glitches, console commands, and mods to max their character level out, get all the best weapons, and all the daedric items and the achievement without actually doing the work to get them.....and then they complain that the game isn't fun? Well fuck, OF COURSE the game isn't going to be fun if you're just going to cheat your way through it! That's what I was really arguing against.

There's so many people on here who complain about Skyrim being boring. The first question I ask is; do you use console commands and mods? If yes, then I'm like, stop using them and ACTUALLY PLAY the game instead of wasting time trying to make it better. Do you really think you know better than the devs? Because too many people think they do and end up fucking up their game as a result. I'm just tired of hearing complaints form those people, because they obviously haven't learned their lesson.

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 0 Points
  • 17:57:05, 17 January

> Honestly speaking, I just don't see their value. They stop the game from being played the way it's meant to be played. Well, so do glitches, but not as much as console commands

I use console commands to overcome most of the bugs and glitches I find in Skyrim. I have a copy of the game for my 360 and my PC, and the console commands are by far the single biggest selling point for me when it comes to PC vs Console. Kill a dragon but my Dovahkin forgot how to soul absorb? Open console, mod player dragon soul count (+1). Stuck at the intro for the Winterhold quest line because Old Tolfdir has suddenly come down with a case of "You need to hold up your ward longer!"? Open console, finish quest stage, move on to Sarthaal.

Using the commands to get all the super equipment, finish every quest, and kill anybody you feel like at a whim cheapens the game for me personally. The same can be said for glitches, however glitches are exploited bugs in the game where as "cheating" with the console is just an extended abuse of in an game tool put in by the game developers. Neither method is superior over the other, and to insist otherwise seems kind of silly...

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  • iamkush
  • -1 Points
  • 18:42:25, 17 January

Cheating is cheating, period. I just think glitches are more fun than console commands.

On another note, I must be a more patient player than you or just lucky, because I've never run into any problems serious enough to make me restart my game :D

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  • xXGunnbjornXx
  • 0 Points
  • 19:25:31, 17 January

< On another note, I must be a more patient player than you or just lucky, because I've never run into any problems serious enough to make me restart my game :D

You're lucky. Read through some of the Skyrim wikis and pull up some individual quest links. Once you're there, pull up some of the bug lists for said quest lines. The Winterhold quest line is notoriously buggy, as is the Markarth "Forsworn Conspiracy". A few people I know irl that play on console (360, specifically) can't finish the daedric "House of Horror" quest line because the intro "poltergeist activity" glitches the entire game world into a swirling tornado of flying dishware, baskets, and market debris. These are just the few I can think of off the top of my head.

So yes, consider yourself lucky. Skyrim has been notoriously buggy, glitchy, and incomplete since it's release... if you've never seen a need to either console command out of a bugged situation or reload a past save in an attempt to get through something as simple as the main story line (the first "boss" fight with Alduin is horrible for this) you are indeed a very fortunate Skyrim gamer.

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  • MrCrippy
  • 1 Points
  • 19:45:44, 17 January

Forsworn conspiracy is broken for me... which sucks, I was really in to the story

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  • iamkush
  • 1 Points
  • 20:09:16, 17 January

For my part, I've seen the Windhelm and Markarth questlines in person. Holy glitches Batman!

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  • Tyfree
  • 7 Points
  • 17:23:07, 17 January

So because your form of cheating takes longer it is okay to do?

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  • iamkush
  • -3 Points
  • 17:25:47, 17 January

No, I'm saying it's okay because it's more fun to do. It actually requires effort, but not an insane amount of effort like the normal quest does. It's the perfect balance.

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  • Tyfree
  • 3 Points
  • 17:49:46, 17 January

I find using console commands fun so then it's okay right? glad we agree.

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  • iamkush
  • 2 Points
  • 18:45:59, 17 January

Yup.