GamerGate is featured on 'The Colbert Report'. It is... less than flattering to GamerGaters. /r/KotakuInAction is pretty mad about it. (self.SubredditDrama)
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[Those who are even more mad with Sarkeesian:] (http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2kr040/postcolbertsegmentdiscussion/clnwbgq)
>What strikes me is how I continue to realize more and more how dishonest of a person Anita Sarkeesian is.
>This was likely planned. They used the most scathing articles and reports from MSNBC. The only bit about ethics was trying to tie it to "feminists influencing journalists to promote more nontraditional games," which is a blatant lie.
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>Get on patrol. NOW. This is the perfect time for trolls to strike us with a false flag threat. Keep your eyes open.
>Horribly condescending to GamerGate. Even with Colbert softballing questions to her, she still managed to fail on one.
>The segment was incredibly biased and condescending to gamers and GamerGate.
>It's pretty much on par with what many of us expected.
593 comments submitted at 09:58:45 on Oct 30, 2014 by sirboozebum
The gamergate crowd just basically played right into what Sarkeesian needed to make it unto prime time news.
That's pretty funny.
The reaction on 4chan is much more amusing since they don't take it as seriously as KiA does and everyone's blaming /v/ for getting Sarkeesian on tv.
Blaming /v/ is a bit disingenous. /pol/ had a hand in the harassment campaigns leading up to GamerGate too
For gamergate yeah, /r9k/ too. IIRC pol and r9k were the only boards that allowed the ZQ threads up when it was getting deleted by the janitors. Then they setup camp on 8chan afterwards. But before all that /v/ was the one who wouldn't stop complaining about Anita.
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And to think... if essentially the same group of people hadn't hysterically overreacted to her original Kickstarter, she would just be some person with an obscure Youtube series.
IKR? The irony is thick and delicious.
What's the adage about the reaction to feminism demonstrating the need for feminism? It's like she's been able to harness that really expertly.
I'm quite strongly anti-GG, regardless of how the message is presented, but I almost feel sorry for how media-naive they've been throughout this
It's called Lewis' Law, see also Anita's Irony.
I was just called a bitch in /r/videos for saying that I often accidentally send death threats to women when I disagree with them, but I'm totally not part of a misogynistic movement. I don't think these people get irony.
"I know this is a strong opinion, but that's wrong. I take the time to comment on every gonewild post I fap to, good sir, and make it a point to respect all women."
I SHOULD KILL YOU! WHERE DO YOU LIVE?!
Oooh, another pandering video on /r/videos? Neat.
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There's also a heavy dose of Streisand Effect, which was how Anita Sarkeesian made so much money and got so much notoriety and traffic with her kickstarter. Even people who don't give a shit about gender wars type stuff ended up donating to her just because it made some people SO MAD. Her kickstarter wouldn't have gotten all of the attention and money had the dudes who were so angry about it not given it so much attention and gotten so angry about it.
Question. Whats the connection between feminism, Sarkesian, and GamerGate?
They all make a bunch of nerds furious.
Maybe I haven't been following this closely enough, but doesn't their hatred of Sarkeesian pretty much prove that "ethics in journalism" isn't the real issue here? She has no significant connection to gaming journalism whatsoever, right?
The official GamerGate media blacklist at one point mentioned Breitbart as the only general news source that can be trusted. So yeah, if you think these people care about ethics in journalism, that's just wrong.
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I think if you're a gamergater and genuinely believe this is about "ethics in journalism", you're kind of an idiot. It's about women and nothing else.
If you question them hard enough about the "ethics in game journalism" thing, they'll usually admit that it means "game journalists are being bribed by the SJW's to promote feminist ideology."
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Sure, but they keep insisting that this is about the collusion between game developers and game journalists. I'd like to hear them explain where Sarkeesian fits into that narrative, given that she's neither a developer, a journalist, nor (to hear them tell it) a gamer.
This thread on Neogaf might explain the Sarkeesian connection. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134397896&postcount=12285
>There is a mailing list in which games writers talk to each other.
SPOOKY
For Reddit supposedly being so smart, they sure are dumb. Also shows how you can make the most ordinary thing seem malicious too, if your audience is gullible enough.
Journalists talk to one another and communicate with their peers? THIS MUST BE STOPPED
I bet they follow each other on Twitter too. The cronyism is unbelievable.
Waaaaah? Being on a mailing list with people who have the same job as you? It's almost like networking involves keeping making connections and maintaining friendly relationships with your coworkers! Then again, if these people had friends, they wouldn't be so obsessed with Reddit.
-cries into bucket of popcorn-
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It's quite a flimsy excuse. Why does anyone care who slept with who for what reason and why is it their business? Do they think they can stamp it out? Oh wait, just in "the games industry".
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Let's not go nuts here.
It's about douchebags.
Douchebags everywhere.
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She put herself in the crossfire by coming to the aid of Zoe Quinn, who the GG crowd considers the pinnacle of evil in gaming.
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Well the gamergate hangout is /r/kotakuinaction and I'll just show you the other subs their mods are responsible for and let you piece the rest together yourself: http://i.imgur.com/3j7uzXZ.jpg
What the fuck is the point of /r/thebluepillsucks? Isn't that the same thing as TRP?
God knows what goes on in the mind of a moderator of /r/insertsubreddithereSucks
FREEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMMM!!!
::insane mel gibson grimmace::
My favorite is the /r/mensrights, /r/againstmensrights and /r/amrsucks combo.
Aww. As a blue piller, is it bad that I was disappointed there wasn't anything there?
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KiA tried to pull the same shit on Ghazi, ended up comparing /r/breakfeminazis with /r/SRSGaming. I mean, regardless of your feelings on feminism and SRS, they're not in the same ballpark.
Unfortunately I don't know what Ghazi is so I can't comment on that.
Having spoken to several 'gaters and read what they've had to say, I see this whole thing as a continuation of the same bullshit SJW vs anti-SJW metadrama that's been rumbling along for ages now, only it's now spread into the gaming spaces I used to enjoy and mutated into something harder to ignore. So I resent it.
> only it's now spread into the gaming spaces I used to enjoy and mutated into something harder to ignore.
I actually stopped going to /v/ just before this hit because of all the SJW/Anti-SJW FEEEEEMALEEESSS bullshit
boy am I glad I left when I did
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All of them have absolutely nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism.
Like gaming needs real journalism, what do they do anyway? Reviews and game announcements. Very rarely is there ever a need for actual reporting.
Businesses misleading customers with claims of "30fps is more cinematic", Day-one DLC, pretty much anything related to Phil Fish. There's a lot to write about that isn't reviews and announcements.
We dont talk about Phil Fish.
Please dont talk about Phil Fish.
Aww but that drama was so buttery :(
Those are fantastic examples of why we really need game specific journalism.
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Seriously. Here's a thought: why don't they just make their own blog, site, or publication? They clearly consider themselves "gamers with ethics" and they have enough time to sit on the internet all day feeling sorry for themselves.
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I think a feminist game developer was accused of sleeping with a game journalist or something. There was a reaction against games journalism and feminism's role in gaming. Then a bunch of other people including the media and many feminists, reacted against the reaction, creating massive drama we know as #gamergate. In short it's a huge mess. I must have had GamerGate explained to me several dozen times by now and I still basically no idea what's going on.
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I don't know much about the actual gamergate thing, but context is important. Video game journalism is really just a network of shitty websites that get paid to advertise video games. So nothing was really lost (gained?) no matter what sort of relationships or interactions may or may not have happened.
If you want to know about a video game you watch a youtube video of someone playing it and decide if it looks fun to you. Gamer websites are complete shit.
They aren't really Gamer websites as much as advertisement dressed up as a fancy article.
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She actually did sleep with the "game journalist" in question. However, he did not review her game after the start of their relationship (or ever, from what I understand, he just mentioned its existence at some point in the past). So, there was no issue with ethics in gaming journalism, since he did not act unethically.
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Popcorn. Mountains of buttery salty popcorn.
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Honestly, I already think she had what she needed to get into prime time news. She's been seriously internet famous for a while now.
I like how many of them were so sure the public would rush to their support when it spread to the mainstream, and how surprised they were when everyone not only didn't, but called them out for the less-than-savory elements of their movement. It's difficult to be that far off the mark.
Seriously, every step of the way they raise the visibility of people they don't like and .... just look like assholes.
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It's funny how they ended up making Anita, Zoe and that Brianna person more well known and more supported, kinda counterproductive haha
And with this and Zoe being on the BBC recently it seems this is only to get bigger and bigger. I kinda hope for someone like Nigel Farage to come out supporting Anita/ condemning gamergate just to see some heads explode.
All I want for Christmas is for Elon Musk to come out condemning gamergate.
All I want is gabe newell to come out in support of anita. Seriously, could you imagine the shitstorm?
"I was going to announce Half-Life 3, but you little shits don't deserve it yet"
"I've decided to take Gordon Freeman out of Half Life 3 entirely. The player will take control of Anita Sarkeesian, who will fight the combine by pointing out misogynistic tropes."
"10/10" -Kotaku
oh god.
i would actually get high from that.
Lol that would be amazing. They would have to find a new God.
Someone tweet him asking his opinion or something haha
Imagine if he announced he was adding Anita onto the team for half life 3. That will be the day I overdose on butter.
Gordon is replaced by Alyx. Universe would implode.
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Omg, he is pretty famous for answering emails, go ask him maybe?
I think our Lord and saviour the great GabeN is more than smart enough to know he should keep his mouth shut about anything polarizing
It'd cause a drama aneurysm but I think all that controversy would be bad for business.
Yeah probably, and since I have a pretty vested interest (I'll play all those games someday...) in steam continuing to be a powerhouse I hope he doesn't say anything
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Well, of course.
Let me dream!
It would be pretty amazing tbh
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"Next up: Bill O'Reilly denounces Unidan"
I woke up this morning at 7:15 to gamergate being discussed on BBC early-morning news. What the heck is happening? Internet drama is leaking out into the real world.
GamerGate blew up in the mainstream media once Sarkeesian cancelled her speech at Utah. It's been in pretty much every major outlet: New York Times, BBC, etc
NYT even ran a front-page story about it a few weeks ago.
Did she cancel? I thought the university made that call when they couldn't ensure security.
She chose to cancel it
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I'm not a fan of gamergate, but their views are being horribly misrepresented by the media and pretty much everyone else.
If you can't argue a person with facts, you attach the character of he person. That's what's going on here and to see so many people falling for it with no critical thought is saddening.
That's the problem with being disorganised without clear leaders, you don't have clear views so it's very hard to put across what your aim actually is.
Exactly what is the media supposed to do? Canvas reddit comments on kia and only pick out ones with a positive message?
Is that what you took from what I said haha
I meant that since there is no clear leader it gets pulled in many different directions and what the actual objective is gets blurred.
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Well, what they shouldn't do is define the motivations of 'gamergaters' by asking anti-gamergaters what they are.
In a perfect world sure. But when 2 parties are having an argument and outsiders can only understand the language of 1 party, they kinda have to take their word for it.
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From the get go the most vocal and closest thing to leaders in gamergate have a tradition of being focused on hating on women. Even just take a look here at the highly upvoted posts on reddit's gamergate home supporting advertisers dictating the content of journalists.
If anyone actually does give a fuck about ethics in gaming journalism they should distance themselves from gamergate and make their own movement.
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mainstream media coverage doesn't necessarily help anti-GG, though. the subset of GG people who genuinely want ethics in video games journalism are trying to achieve it by applying pressure to game journo websites, specifically by choking their ad revenue. the sites could counter this by driving more traffic and ad views, but mainstream media viewers aren't interested in reading gaming articles, and they're unlikely to go to Kotaku and randomly click ads out of a sense of solidarity. for better or worse, the websites are beholden to a touchy, angry demographic, and so are the fleeing advertisers.
it would take pro-Gawker boycotts against Intel products, Adobe software, etc, for mainstream coverage to have much of an advantageous effect, and most normal people don't even know what a CPU or an SVG file is.
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The attack on Brianna Wu was particularly bizarre; literally all she did that could possibly annoy them was to be a woman who made video games. And of course, she retweeted a meme poking fun at them, but then so did thousands of other people.
I think you'd find that calling a popular disabled Pro-GG supporter a 'gross fucking aspie' is what set people off, creating a meme out of an image used for autism only made her look far worse.
How can this be a surprise to anyone. No matter what you feel about gamergate, the main stream media has no where near the aversion to feminism that many gamergate supports do. Of cause there going to come out at least somewhat against the anti feminists and the outright misogyny that some gamergate supporters put forth, this is why all most all the supporters within the outside media are people or entities that have an inbuilt reason to hate feminists.
Its like the jailbait fiasco all over again when many people on reddit couldn't believe that the media would look down on reddit for /r/jailbait they just couldn't understand that the media didn't look at the issue as a threat to free speech like they did.
It's because people spend to much time on reddit that they just forget how people think IRL.
Case in point: gamergaters think they're going to achieve something meaningful by being angry at people on social media.
Well, they did achieve something meaningful.
They made the people they hate into national media darlings.
They also fucked Gawker out of thousands and thousands of advertising revenue. Let's not lose sight of the silver lining to all of this.
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True, this happens all the time. Fringe politics, red rill, video games, cryptocurrency. There's discussions online that would get you ass kicked in real life.
exactly. reddit has got a fucking peculiar culture to begin with, and the structure makes it too easy to fall down dumb little rabbit holes like gamergate. you spend all your time with guys that spend all day hating feminists and freaking out about video games, you're going to be in for a real rude awakening when you finally wander out into the real world and try to talk to a normal person.
I mean on the one hand you've got gaming journalists being shitty and being bribed for better reviews. It's not a great situation and on it's own wouldn't be a bad story for the media to mention.
But on the other you have hoards of rabid neckbeards who have sent death and rape threats to multiple women and threatened to shoot up a university. I'd say that is a tad more serious than alleged bribery in an industry that nobody really trusted anyway.
Kane and Lynch 2 never got a gate, and 8/10 it's okay -in is still and existing joke.
Kane and Lynch 2 got some fantastic shit when that happened but it was before the social media revolution that we're seeing now. If someone pulled the K&L2 debacle now they'd be crucified for it.
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And that's the whole problem facing gamergate. What started out as a legitimate grievance and an attempt to highlight bad journalistic practices in gaming has been ruined by trolls and idiots making death threats. So now any time someone has a legitimate complaint about something related to gamergate, it gets dismissed as them being misogynistic trolls, regardless of the validity of their complaint.
> What started out as a legitimate grievance
You see, there's the problem. It didn't start out with a legitimate grievance. The Quinnspiracy narrative was always bullshit, her game was never even reviewed let alone scored highly. From day one this movement has been based on false pretenses.
No, it started out as a way to whitewash the Zoey Quinn Harassment hatemob.
Actually, Gamergate was started by those "trolls" and "idiots" as a cover for their harassment of Anita and Zoe.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/
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Reddit "proper" is usually on the wrong side of things compared to what the legitimate media thinks
/r/jailbait until Anderson Cooper humiliated the website
Locating the Boston Bomber
/r/thefappening
And now this.
I don't envy the pr team this website must need.
I doubt reddit needs a PR team; family friendliness and political correctness doesn't bring in investors quite like edginess.
The website is actually losing money and Id say your wrong about investors. Would you rather put your money or ad on something perceived as a positive media aggregator or on something known for borderline pedophillia, racism, sexism and theft?
Most media companies on the internet, as I understand it, aren't doing very well. I can give you borderline pedophilia and theft, but there's tons of racism and sexism in the media we consume, I doubt investors care about that.
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> the main stream media has no where near the aversion to feminism
go further. They outright support it
And they're not even embarrassed.
OH MY GOD!
What a bunch of sexists!
On the surface, but they also help promote sexism often enough. JS and SC (just realized his initials are the same as his home state) being exceptions to that, generally.
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So is it time to rename SRD to "shit we disagree with" yet? Because there's no drama in that thread.
"Oh God, they don't like Anita-senpai!?!? They have opinions different from mine!? Let's circlejerk about how wrong they are!"
Basically this thread.
This is any thread when Anita gets brought up. Just get used to it. There will be no drama, no popcorn, and no nuance. Just a massive circlejerk about how sexist gamers are and how Anita is literally god.
Both sides of the discussion have some merit, but as usual the morons are the loudest and are therefore the only ones heard.
Except one side's moron was just on TV.
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> Feminism is always defined as this obvious thing that everyone should support when it's under attack, but when it's not, it pulls out the unpopular stuff.
I like the implication here that feminism is either a hivemind or, alternatively, some kind of sly and deceptive entity that exists independently of the people supporting it.
Woah, study it out!
Mom was always telling me to get off my video games and get a life.
Are all women in on this conspiracy called feminism?
The exact same thing is going on in this entire thread.
'Gamergaters' are treated as a hivemind that sends death threats, threats of rape, and are anti-woman. And look at all the upvotes.
Reddit is not the bastion of rational thought.
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Okay so there's 61 comments in this thread, not linking to any of the drama in the GG thread, not really talking about specific posts of any sort just generally shitting on the people in the sub.
So yeah, how's it going SRD? What's the good drama from the thread? Where are all the people fighting? What's the uh... you know, what's the go? Where's the popcorn?
Or was this posted so we could laugh at the GGers from our own little space? You know, so they don't talk to us while we mock them?
Oh look at those sillies, and their silliness. It's like we're at a zoo.
Where are my ~~peanuts~~ popcorns?
Edit: Only 3 hours and we've hit the big 500. Quality comments. Every one of them. Except mine, they're mostly reaction images.
It's been this way for a while. I'm not sure exactly when the tide started to turn but drama started to take a back seat to just mocking whatever group on Reddit. I used to look forward to threads with drama from subs I have never heard of but now the same couple subs are featured with not much actual drama often. It's like /r/circlebroke, which is just unbearable these days. The people and personalities in the linked threads are talked about more than the drama.
People used to deny this change but it has got to the point where you just can't anymore. Too many threads consists of the themes of someone saying something mean to a women, talking negative about feminism, or something similar. Next, a couple hundred comments about how Reddit is full of too many neckbeards, why the site is horrible, and a couple more making fun of similar drama subs.
Yeah srd has kinda gotten worse after the whole gamergate drama started...
Because the SRD community probably has a lot of Anti-GG (Not Girls Generation) hate.
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It's a great opportunity for another srd circlejerk. I don't even have to read the thread to tell you what would be in here. We've got the "I watched femfreq and therefore like Anita sarkeesian" we've got the "aw poor misogynists" pandering to a strawman shit, we've got the "this popcorn is totes buttery" even though there is no real drama here, and anyone with a different opinion is near the bottom of the thread.
Par for the course for srd ultimately
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Maybe if OP edits it more as a dramawave that spans other subreddits.
Good idea, but will we get drama, or will we get thousands of people shouting to themselves about how great it is to be on the right side of the fence?
Or SRD manufactures its own drama here. It's pretty much anticipated since the colbert tweet pic. It's just boring to focus on KiA alone and stale butter at this point. Besides they did a PSA to behave themselves and not to take the bait.
And 400+ comments in just under an hour after your parent comment.
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Something significant happened in another community and there are a lot of comments about it? That's enough to be considered "drama" it seems
My favorite is "I don't really know anything about the topic but look at those nerds getting angry! It's such a stupid topic anyway."
Anyway, although I often disagree with the jerk in SRD, it's still interesting to read opinions that differ from mine. It's also an important reminder to not label anyone with a differing opinion as a Feminazi/TRPer/whatever, as is seen so often here.
For my daily drama doses, there are still enough topics where the gender warriors are not as prevalent or even other subreddits.
Normally I would defend SRD from these kind of accusations, but this thread has not been great.
This place just redeemed itself with the last Gamergate thread, but it seems SRS is back in full force to slip it back down more.
This thread isn't drama. It's people circlejerking over a professional troll that made the colbert report.
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One thing that kind of blew my mind about the topic was how people were harping about how she couldn't name any examples of games that treat women as objects.
Do they...do they really think that? It seemed obvious to me that in the interest of time and getting the message across that she just didn't get into tangential specifics like that. Anyone who is even slightly familiar with games could name three games that generally don't portray women well.
Also, it is really mindblowing how big this is getting. This becoming a mainstream, national story is just weird as hell to me.
It's past national, it's international now. A norwegian newspaper wrote about it this week (supporting the feminists) and caused a small shitstorm.
I've seen two articles about it in the international version of the New York Times as well, and a Dutch paper wrote about how a talk Anita was going to give at a university was cancelled because someone threatened a shooting.
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If she gives examples, she's cherry picking. If she doesn't give examples, she doesn't know. It's a game set up where she cannot win.
She can't win because she manufactured the video series out of no where and has no vested interesting in video games or the industry.
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They were talking about it on radio in Australia last weekend.
Yeah, she has 6 or 7 half hour videos with examples, and apparently it's all just cherry-picking.
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Plus, if you've watched her videos, its pretty obvious that she could name quite a few. She might lose the audience though if they aren't familiar with the games, so it's an awkward position to be in.
/u/justgoawayalready hit it square on the head.
/u/excelsiorlef also had a great point that it's more about the popularity of broad based tropes rather than individual games, and identifying a few games would detract from that.
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I remember watching FemFreq's videos a few years back. I thought they were pretty cool and started following her. When the kickstarter went up, I thought "Oh, cool. I hope she gets her $6k." I never would have believed she'd be on national TV. It's pretty amazing what misguided nerd-rage can do.
I remember here old videos and whilst i enjoyed them i also viewed them as little more than a banal and inoffensive criticism of modern media. Which ultimately makes gamers reaction to her even more mystifying, if your really offended by her i can only imagine what would happen if someone was to offer an even more biting feminist critique of games and gaming culture.
Hell Roger Ebert and Mark Kermode have both offered more pointed and direct critiques of films based on feminist lines than anything Anita has ever done.
Exactly. I mean, I think more people do need to investigate gender in gaming media, but Sarkeesian's stuff is like "Gender Studies 101" in that you'll get way more in depth analysis in any basic college level gender class. The fact that there was such unbridled rage in response to it is fairly amusing (though scary for her I'd imagine), considering her assertions in the video aren't really that wild and just basically stating "Hey, here's what is going on in gaming."
Isn't that, paradoxically, the Gamer Gaters' point? That her criticism is so basic, it's not actually that critical, yet at the same time, this accusation is a tacit acceptance of Gender Studies 101?
The main "criticism" (if you can call it that) that I've seen of her videos is that she's "making way too big a deal about these issues." I rarely ever hear that same comment about film studies, literary critiques, or analyses of television shows. Media represents society, and video games are within that media.
Gamers want people to take the gaming medium seriously, and yet throw a hissy fit (complete with threats of assault, rape, and murder) when someone comes along and does a very basic gender analysis of the medium from a feminist perspective. They fail to realize that these types of analyses add legitimacy (as in, this is art, or this is important) to a medium relegated by older generations as kid toys. Same as with comic books and graphic novels.
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She does tend to cherry pick, and just choose bad examples as well (her example of fallout definitely made me wtf because it was both in Vegas and you get the exact same penalty for killing and npc like that
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It's gender studies 101 in the same way the Neil Degrasse Tyson is Astrophysics 101 - it's meant to get people interested and thinking about the issues. There's a place for that.
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I always thought she made some good points (her Tropes vs. Women video that covered the whole "Women in refrigerators" thing was pretty eye-opening, for example) but there's no doubt that she tends to nit-pick examples and act as if certain trends are more widespread than they actually are.
That said, the incredibly violent response that (mostly male) gamers had to her initial announcement that she was going to analyze video games, as well as this whole GamerGate thing, has basically proven her entire point.
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They were hoisted by their own petard. If they had just left her alone in the first place, hardly anyone would be aware of her existence.
Streisand Effect backfired this time?
Considering how nasty everyone has been to her this is the perfect payback. Love it.
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All their explosive rage is doing is powering her rocket ship to fame.
They trying to block her shine with a magnifying glass.
Top metaphor, very top.
That would make a great lyric.
Ohhh that's good.
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I think my favorite part of this was actually the fact that some people put up a "Tropes vs. Men" kickstarter in response to Sarkeesian's. It got funded, after which the creators basically said "ha ha, suckers" and disappeared.
So you are saying it was a successful kickstarter.
Troll or not, they know how to game the system. But doesn't Indigogo have a clause about delivering product?
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I watched her videos on video games, and I thought they were stupid and misinformed, or even misleading. So I just didn't watch anymore of her videos. I actually do that a lot. I don't like something, so I just....stop.
I feel like I have a super power sometimes.
Do people not know you can unsubscribe from channels on youtube?
Honestly I wonder sometimes. It's like when people complain about the programming on a cable station. Y'all know there's other stations right? It's even worse with the Internet though, because the number of other things you can do besides look at stuff that bothers you is seemingly endless.
Wait, wait. You mean you didn't threaten to rape her family? Then how will she know that she's wrong?
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I saw the tweets last night before bed. I'm excited. When Colbert takes the other side, you've lost.
Is Colbert that big of a deal in the US ?
He's a pretty well known satirist and if he's taking a shit on your cause, he's doing it on of a lot of screens.
If you read the thread they are doing their best to convince themselves that he was taking the piss out of her and is on their side. Like focusing on how she apparently couldn't answer the question about 3 games and that when he was mocking "ethics in gaming journalism" he was actually mocking the people who don't care about it.
GamerGate is actually good news for bitcoin
I just watched the segment. He went pretty full tilt making fun of them, I don't get how you extract support from a series of unrelenting burns followed by an interview with your greatest adversary.
Because they like Colbert and want to think he's on their side still, so they have to convince themselves that he invited her on to make fun of her.
i guess they just tuned out the end when he basically admitted to being a feminist in a round about way
oh, so exactly what all the conservative reactionary idiots were doing when his show first dropped. wonder what they have in common with gamergate?
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Not only that, he also appeals directly to the demographic that all this controversy is centered around.
He is really popular.
Especially in the age range of most Redditors
He's replacing Letterman, which is kind of a big deal for that kind of comedian.
Except it'll be a different show (and talk shows are a dying breed).
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ColbertBump
There's a reason it's named specifically after him.
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Ha, damn it I was in the process of making a thread on this. Anyway, for those who want to see the video you can watch it here
Here is a youtube mirror for international viewers.
^(will probably be taken down soon though)
Thanks
I hadn't watched the video till now...did anyone else think her body language changed when he brought up Utah? I haven't seen her talk about it before but those few seconds really made me realize how horrifying it must have been. :-(
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Oh wow... comparing the GG'ers stand, defending their "traditional gamer lifestyle" to social conservatives arguments about traditional marriage was perfect timing considering they were linking to a Christian gamer website which voiced support for the GG "movement" yesterday on KiA.
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It was on BBC radio this morning. I have consciously avoided it here but all they played up was the harassment and implied that accusations of journalistic ethics gone awry are merely a smokescreen
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I have been waiting for drama that would exceed the pinnacle of May-May June. I think it has finally arrived.
> exceed the pinnacle of May-May June
Implying Unibanned didn't already exceed it.
and the best part is, this is entirely because of KiA and other pro-gamergaters. Without their insane hate a relatively unknown Youtube feminist would have probably never gotten so much national coverage.
It's the best PR Anita Sarkeesian could ever have hoped for.
GG Gamergaters. It's finally over.
Hell from what I've read she probably wouldn't have been able to fund her videos without a huge backlash from the "gaming community".
Can confirm. The completely overwrought agony of the gamer know-nothings when Tropes vs. Women was first announced was the thing that made me chip in $10.00.
An investment that paid all kinds of wonderful dividends.
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May-may June?
One of the biggest drama's on reddit, at least in terms of the numebr of people involved and the duration. There were loads of posts about it including recaps here and here. It's name is a pun based on the mispronounciation of "meme" as "may may" and the fact it took place in June 2013.
The biggest drama was on /r/Atheism where a mod name /u/jij kicked out an inactive top mod and took over the subreddit, adding a bunch of new moderators and completely banning memes. It lead to huge amounts of drama across multiple subreddits, including the creation of /r/atheismrebooted and culminated in /r/atheism being removed as a default.
Feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong.
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/r/atheism banned direct meme posts, basically. Memes had to be posted in self-posts. Subscribers basically threw an enormous shitfit and accused /u/jiji of censorship and nazism or something.
Fun stuff!
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I think all this stuff with Anita has Freudian undertones. She's cute, she looks like the woman that has rejected them over and over again. So, they retreat to their fantasy where they can rescue and claim a woman as their own, then along comes Anita to shatter their fantasy once more. They think they'll keep having some epiphany, that it's always a woman's fault, when in reality, it was always them. An empty life of virginity and worthlessness, that was brought on by misogyny, but nonetheless deserved. Fate is beautiful.
You can't ask for something more perfect.
I am honestly really tired of this drama after two months and just want both sides to shut the fuck up.
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Hell, gamer gate is still a thing? These people need to get over themselves.
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Not really a supporter of gamer gate but I think there needs to be an overhaul of ethics for game journalism. Shouldn't be targeting feminists but the websites themselves. They should be pushing for reform.
Journalists shouldn't be swayed by free ps4 s or Xbox s.
I think gamer gate is stupid but the thought of ethic reform is good.
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I really like how these people keep whining about bullying and censorship when they're the ones bullying people who disagree with them and trying to get advertisers to pull their support in order to change the content on certain websites.
Well that was after a guy in the company tweeted asking the bullies to come back, which is a fair enough reason to ask to pull advertising since hes still working there
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"We want ethics in journalism so we're going to do that by forcing Journalists to write what we want them to write"
http://www.clickhole.com/article/summary-gamergate-movement-we-will-immediately-cha-1241
Pretty on point.
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Are they surprised that a generally left-wing media will consistently side with the feminists in a "scandal" like this? And with the way a bunch of video game nerds were acting online about it, they likely have themselves to blame for being ripe for parody.
It's just a shame that such a broad and significant battle about the role of feminism in daily life is being fought and lost over such a trivial topic.
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I don't get the blind support for Anita coming from this sub. I like the idea behind her videos, but her execution is just so horrible. Turning a blind eye to a lot of different things, and just plain lying about certain games, and sometimes even complaining about realism in games because it portrays women negatively.
Most of the people on Anita's side don't play games, so they don't understand the context of what she's saying. They just take everything at face value and assume she's correct in her assessment.
With that being said, it's hard not to support her (on a personal level, not ideological) considering all the vitriol that gets thrown her way.
Her videos are shit, though. No doubt about that.
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It's amazing how well this drama has allowed Sarkeesian to make a career as a professional victim.
Funny how when Colbert was against Swey Parks he was a racist misogynist. Now that he supports Anita he is the second coming.
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