Chris Kluwe hosts an AMA on KiA. (self.SubredditDrama)
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http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2k3wyt/iammikecernovichsragingbileerection_ama/
NOTICE: there are claims that thread has been brigaded. I don't know how true it is, but please remember brigading rules.
Link dump, because there is honestly no way i can deliver justice with "witty" lines on this.
http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2k3wyt/iammikecernovichsragingbileerection_ama/clhoi4k?context=3
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I'm tired and have to study for my exam so I will be back in ~4 hours. If someone wants to continue posting links feel free to do so in the comments.
Also can someone make something similar to SRSes effort post extension? It would make this a lot easier.
Plenty more coming. For now here is the butter you get.
67 comments submitted at 20:39:49 on Oct 23, 2014 by alien122
I bet this thread is going to get brigaded by more than one side of the GG drama. ( I think its up to like 7 sides now)
Ain't no drama like heptagonal drama
cause heptagonal drama don't stop?
Exactly, it's starting to get enough sides that it can roll
Soon we'll be able to play D&D with the GG factions.
I thought D&D used hex
It uses a lot but we gotta get up to d20 before this party's really bumpin
My current operating hypothesis is that Gamergate has evolved into some sort of shamanic, quasi-religious festival or ritual where outraged hordes encircle a massive central totem and snarl obscenities and insults at each other, as elders chant duelling choruses of SRS and MRA jingoism.
It's one thing to speak out against bigotry and harassment in gaming. It's another thing to manufacture it. This Kluwe nonsense is just trolling cloaked in the illusion of social justice. I'll have no part of it.
I'm about to go to sleep, I have a feeling when I wake up this thread will look like the aftermath of a fucking war.
We're about to have a Horus Heresy up in here.
I know, I'm scared.
Epic. GG is a drama bomb that surpasses even May May June, but with 100% more hate, bile, and death threats. It's like /pol/ has just gone ahead and moved HQ to reddit. I guess we're witnessing the new rise of the reactionary right wing as a permanent part of reddit.
> GG is a drama bomb that surpasses even May May June
You take that back heretic, Socrates died for link karma.
Make it stop mama make it stop make it go away
mamaaaaaaaa
few magnitudes needed on the percentage.
I've been on the internet for almost 20 years now and I think GamerGate may be the dumbest case of mass outrage I've ever seen.
No fucking doubt. It's not cute. And it's not fun. It's the worst.
But I feel like it's the white head on the pimple of the whole feminist backlash that's been clogging the pores of the Internet for a long time, festering like a painful and enormous cystic zit under the surface. Now it's raised, and all we can do is clumsily paw at it, squeezing, painfully, in vain while it threatens to rape game critics and shoot up colleges.
The Retin-A. It does nothing.
Hopefully soon it will pop under the weight of its own greasy lunacy and the disgusting white goop of GamerGate will be relegated to sticking to the bathroom mirror where it will serve as a reminder of the gawky, ugly, teenage awkwardness we all felt and despised. Then we can get back to what's actually important: making fun of the red pill and conspiracy theorists. Yanno. The fun stuff.
Well I don't agree with you, but I cannot deny your talent for painting a vivid picture.
I started out as someone who thought gaming journalism should be reformed. It's obvious certain companies buy favorable reviews, and the lack of transparency about that was unnerving. It's indicative of what I see as an overall, disconcerting trend of corporate involvement in the media as a whole. While I appreciate corporations for allowing me access to that media, I'd prefer not to consume media that's been influenced by outside sources. What can I say? I like making my own decisions.
I, wrongly, believed that the focus on gaming journalism would invoke a broader reform of journalism writ large, a period of financial and ethical accountability. It has not done that. Instead, it's become a garbage heap of Elliot Rodgers Jr's complaining about how feminism has ruined their lives because Anita Sarkessian is pretty vocal about not liking to look at scantily clad women in video games. It's pathetic.
The rape threats have got to stop. The death threats have got to stop. If gamergate wants to be taken seriously as a movement about ethical journalism it needs to be more vocal about denouncing those actions.
Just my two cents.
> If gamergate wants to be taken seriously as a movement about ethical journalism it needs to be more vocal about denouncing those actions.
It is denounced every day in every related thread on KiA. The problem is I'd wager 95% of detractors don't actively read what GG is saying.
We who believe in the journalistic reform message of GG simply cannot stop psychopathic individuals from making threats. Are there some bonafide harassers in the GG camp? absolutely. The problem is...all it takes is an addition of the #GamerGate hashtag on the end of a tweet, and you've now painted a whole mass of individuals as assholes.
I have never performed anything close to rape or death threats, and I'm not unique. I will not apologize for the actions of psychopaths who have no real relation to a cause I identify with.
No one wants to open their mind, I mean LOOK at this exchange.
Until we stop thinking of anyone who disagree with us as a faceless enemies, the damaging narrative on both sides can never change.
Just some friendly advice, that thread was hyper-brigaded by Kluwe's twitter followers and some anti-GG subs. If you're thinking of posting/voting in there...I'd not.
That threads gonna be the grudge of shadowbans.
Yep. I'm a KiA regular, but I don't want to see anyone shadowbanned.
This. Seriously, everyone, even if you subscribe, definitely don't participate in any way or vote. Admins are gonna be all over it.
So Pharaoh's curse?
Cupcake's curse upon you
Who dares to invade her sacred ground
Gods of the site arise to striiiike yoooou dowwwwn!
tl;dr yes.
Some background.
Kluwe is a former NFL player who showed up in r/nfl from time to time.
He likes to play video games, and his leaving the NFL coincided with some homophobic remarks made in the locker room by coaches and a lawsuit by Kluwe.
He has recently been none too kind in his critique of Gamergate:
https://medium.com/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6
So showing up in KiA is pretty much bound to be a bomb.
thank you for the much-needed background
> Are you going to answer any questions of substance without insulting someone?
>>Fuck No
great AMA, great discussion Kluwe
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Chris Kluwe seems like a pretty cool guy. The episodes of the Nerdist podcast he's been on have been quite enjoyable.
Some Kluwe quotes:
>wannabe Wikipedia philosophers, drunk on your own buzzwords, incapable of forming an original thought
>paint-huffing shitgoblins
>angry neckbeards
>slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills
>basement-dwelling, cheetos-huffing, poopsock-sniffing douchepistol
>slackjawed pickletits
>hemorrhoidal gunt stains
>it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.
>the mouthvomits you like to pretend are logical trains of thought
>pestilent little toads can’t imagine the concept of friendship. Perhaps you should go watch some Care Bears?
>You don’t even see the complete idiocy of this idea because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.
>misogynistic mouthbreathers who get off on making rape threats against women
>I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.
Yea pretty cool guy.
I don't care if your pro-GG, anti-GG, or nuetral. As soon as you resort to that shit, you've immediately lost the argument. Maybe it's just me...but I realize it's people on the other side reading what I'm writing.
EDIT: here you go
Granted, he doesn't come off nicely in that thread...but it's the same guy who sacrificed his career by standing up to homophobia in the management at his workplace.
lol no he didn't that was a crock of bullshit
You have to hand it to Chris Kluwe. Pretty bold move to try to pull the homophobia card when he's not even gay.
I don't see anything wrong with insulting a group of woman-hating reactionary bigots.
I'm not a woman-hating reactionary bigot, and he just insulted me. You're taking a lazy stance, and it'll net you some sweet karma in this thread. If that's all you care about than you're doing a great job.
>I'm a KiA regular
No, you definitely are. It's no better than TRP at this point.
I'm newly married, work in higher education, and teach after-school martial arts classes, along with one-on-one lessons to autistic children.
So no...I'm not a woman hater or a bigot and you're no better than the worst GG trolls. if there was justice in SRD you'd be obliterated by downvotes, but it won't happen and you'll never change.
Do you really think all misogynists are single and unemployed?
Well I teach young women that they are strong, capable, and able to take care of themselves in the world. I'm sure you do a lot for women though friend.
>reactionary
Is this the favorite buzzword of SJWs now that everyone makes fun of "shitlord"?
Countering hate with hate? You sound awesome.
So brave.
How many times are you going to spam this unsourced copypaste text in this thread?
Its not really unsourced, Kluwe did write those in his article, camper posted it above.
Unsourced?
I know it's easy to just throw shit out there without reading about the issue at all, but you're not helping either side of the debate.
> As soon as you resort to that shit, you've immediately lost the argument.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Tell me that stereotypical portrayal of women in video games reinforces the "macho" mentality in impressionable teens, and I will ponder your words.
Scream like a bitch, throw insults and make snarky remarks about my sexual history, and your arguments will be filed under "shit, pile of". Heck, I might even adopt a contrary position, just because I hate you so much.
Since I'm in here early for once, and seem to be the resident KiA punchingbag I'll just say this.
People get mad at GG for a variety of reason, but one of them is that we purportedly latch on to anyone on "our side" dispite what their background is, or what they say and do.
Chris is not a journalist, but instead identifies himself as just a gamer. The problem is, he's a super negative gamer...and he's on the anti-GG side.
Here's some quotes from Chris that I posted below, and are from the linked thread:
>wannabe Wikipedia philosophers, drunk on your own buzzwords, incapable of forming an original thought
>paint-huffing shitgoblins
>angry neckbeards
>slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills
>basement-dwelling, cheetos-huffing, poopsock-sniffing douchepistol
>slackjawed pickletits
>hemorrhoidal gunt stains
>it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.
>the mouthvomits you like to pretend are logical trains of thought
>pestilent little toads can’t imagine the concept of friendship. Perhaps you should go watch some Care Bears?
>You don’t even see the complete idiocy of this idea because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.
>misogynistic mouthbreathers who get off on making rape threats against women
>I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.
No one seems to care/believe that GGers are also receiving harassment or threats, but here's a clear example of exactly what got reasonable people like me on the GG side.
If he's the kind of person that you stand behind and cheer as an anti-GGer, than I would take a step back and consider that maybe your "side" is more similar to the negative parts of GG than you had previously believed.
A lot of it is that general targeting and specific targeting have different levels of responses.
They do, I agree.
Though, if that exact language and tone were used by a prominent GGer, the anti-GG folks would be tripping over themselves writing articles and tweeting about how horrible that person is. As it stands, Kluwe is being praised for his writing.
Responders are generally given more leeway then initiates
I, and many like me, are "responders" in that we took notice of Gamer Gate after the "gamers are dead" attack articles. Kluwe happens to be amping up the exact same rhetoric that got me to respond.
Except "X is dead" is a common phrase meaning holding onto the ideals of a scene but refusing the label, see "punk is dead"
The phrase itself is irrelevant. Rather the message contained in articles, like Anita Sarkessian's that got Intel to pull their ads, is what did the damage.
It also looks like he is doing one in /r/gamerghazi
Over 1500+ comments in one thread in five hours, and 200+ comments in another thread in one hour. Chris Kluwe has created a drama wave which will certainly cause a lot of users to vote/comment in other subs. That should be fun when (if?) the admins decide they've had enough. Kluwe might even get banned if he isn't careful. Before you know it the admins can decide that he used his twitter to ask for upvotes.
I guess it depends on what he said in his tweets. I know admins are OK with celebs tweeting about their AMAs because they use it as proof, so it will on depend on his wording.
For some background on Kluwe that a lot of regulars won't give in this thread. He was a sub par punter for the vikings and got cut because he wasn't good enough, then a while later he came out and said the vikings fired him because he got upset that an assistant coach made homophobic comments. This wasn't true and in fact it came out that Kluwe was making insensitive jokes about Jerry Sandusky and the Penn State child abuse scandal he used to be loved in /r/nfl but is now widely seen as a whiny attention whore.
He was actually the best Punter in Vikings history, his problem was that he was a veteran getting paid way more than a rookie punter would, and under the system the Vikes ran any punter was as good as another. There are only like 5 punters in the nfl who are good enough to have it be worth paying him more than a 7th round pick or a undafted free agent. Add in drawing much more attention that any other punter, which is supposed to be a seen but not heard position, and he was fucked.
He's #17 on career yards/punt on the all-time list for punters.
That doesn't sound "sub par" to me.
You're selling him short on his skills, he was actually a very good punter but had an off year and his contract wasn't worth keeping him over so the vikings went with a rookie, cheap, punter instead and cut him.
> He was a sub par punter
You know, sports keep track of statistics, right? This is patently false. He was a very good punter.
GamerGate folks keep saying they're "fighting for ethics in games journalism", but then they keep fabricating claims out of thin air.
I can't believe someone doxxed Felicia Day! She seems so lovely.
We should just throw anyone that gives a Damn about GG on either side into an arena.
If it makes me look as badass as Russle Crowe in Gladiator, then I'm ready.