On the shadow-banning of Paul Elam and Dean Esmay (self.MensRights)
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Dear feminists, and by feminists, I mean most of you sorry cretins who inhabit r/mensrights.
Good afternoon, my name is John, some of you may be familiar with my work. This letter is hopefully clear up a few misperceptions and put to rest the concerns of many members pf this community.
Several days ago, my colleague and friend Paul was shadow banned, not by the moderators of /r/mr, but by the administration of reddit. Similarly, Dean Esmay, with whom I work at AVFM was also shadow banned. Apparently, this was due to their endorsement or public statement of support for discovering the identities and publishing the names of feminist participants and organizers of the U of T Warren Farrell protest.
I have also been told by some members of this community that stooping to the tactics of the enemy is unacceptable. Addressing this claim literally, I agree. I completely agree that censorship, intimidation, threats of death, advocating violence, initiating violence, and cultivating hate against a group based on identity or sex, s totally unacceptable. However, the criticism directed towards me used that rhetoric, but referred to my advocation of publication of identity the woman harassing a man at Warren Farrell's protest. The “you are fucking scum” woman.
And apparently, my genuine intention to attach her public behavior to her name is seen as “stooping to the tactics of feminists”
Are you fucking kidding me?
Why do any of you dolts imagine Paul, Dean, myself and other actual MRAs advocate public exposure of the evangelists of hatred and the initiators of proxy violence? Do you think, in your pea brains we intend harm to come to the cretins we document? A summary pass through any of our collected writing will quickly disabuse you of that stupid assumption.
In fact the concern over the practice of outing the agents of hatred and the initiators of proxy violence is not a moral concern at all. It's fear of offending the powerful. On Reddit, that would be the feminist hegemony who seem able to indulge in any cruelty and hate with impunity – on the misguided notion that if only we in the r/mr reddit were a bit nicer, they'd come right around and embrace the undeniable reality of our concerns.
Stupid and cowardly. Thats what this concern is.
And just in case any of you slow-witted dolts haven't got it yet, while I wont do it on reddit – respecting the rules of the house here, outside of this forum, I will publish the name of anyone – male or female, MRA or Feminist who advocates violence or initiates violence, including by proxy, and I'll do it with satisfied smile on my face, and not even a slight twinge of guilt.
Or do you snivelers think accountability is only for men, and that women, or feminists (including feminist men) have a free licence to commit and cultivate violence and hate?
Do you think women are so fucking helpless and infantile they cannot possibly own any accountability – even in the commission of direct violence? If you /do/ think this, then you are indistinguishable from a gender ideologue, and you will have earned my unlimited contempt. How can you possibly oppose violence without supporting accountability for it's direct and proxy initiation?
Oh, and if anybody, after reading this cares to claim that publicly identifying the initiators of violence is /actually/ a backhanded technique for putting them in harms way, then you're too stupid to be allowed to participate in an adult conversation. Yes, you too David.
Anti-feminism is the revolutionary notion that women are (like men) moral agents.
I expect I'll be getting banned on reddit directly after posting this, which will simply be the wider reddit community making itself even less relevant on the topic of the Men's Rights Movement.
And to the Reddit Admins: Go on, ban me, and tell yourselves the violence cultivated and committed by the feminist community is harmless because it principally targets men.
277 comments submitted at 03:06:32 on Dec 8, 2012 by johntheother