Asking a sub full of nerdy women about a certain type of nerdy woman they hate couldn't possibly cause any drama right? (np.reddit.com)
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193 comments submitted at 06:13:14 on Jan 9, 2014 by empress_of_feels
Ain't this the truth. There was a popular TV series sub where I remember expressing disgust when one character not only stepped out on her husband (and you could say she thought the both of them already emotionally divorced, but he was still in love with her, and was trying to make the marriage work), but turned around and viciously rubbed his nose in the affair.
But, because it was a woman, holy shit, I have never been called a misogynist more times at any other point in my life. Somehow I could not, in any way, criticize this woman for her atrociously vindictive behavior without, apparently, hating all women.
If you're talking about breaking bad, you're leaving a lot of context out of that situation.
So, you're really going to suggest that criticism for a woman who intentionally tries to devastate and break the heart of someone who loves her by flaunting her indiscretions in his face... that criticism of this petty act is inherently misogynistic?
Again, you're completely misrepresenting the situation and eliminating Walt's pretty fucking big part in it. The fact that you seem to feel the need to present things in such a disingenuous manner makes me question your motives, at the very least.
Really? Jesus Christ. Walt's position doesn't matter. We could be talking about Charles Manson for all it mattered. I'm not saying she [Skyler] is a worse person, I'm not saying that she's going to roast in the fires of Hell, I'm saying that her action -- willfully meant to emotionally devastate a person who loves her -- was petty and vicious. And I believe such an action would be petty and vicious regardless of who commits it and against whom it's committed.
But, apparently, I can't say that against her without being labeled a misogynist. Frankly, context doesn't matter. It was an inherently terrible action, its motives purely for the intent of hurting another person. Sure, you can get some schadenfreude that it was used against Walt or whoever else you think (legitimately or not) deserving of such cruelty, but it lowers her, and it deserves criticism.
By I give up. You and those who cry, "MISOGYNY!!!" against anyone critical of her or her actions are far too zealous and I'm just inviting harassment by continuing this.
So go ahead: I think it's wrong for anyone to cheat and rub their partner's nose in it in an attempt to hurt them -- Skyler included -- so I guess I'm a misogynist.
Other than the massive psychological damage caused by the stress of what Walt was doing..... Does any body actually believes Walt was purposefully trying to hurt Skyker? That's fucking bullshit.
"I fucked Ted" carried a HUGE psychological load against Walt. It's whole intention was to destroy him. You could even say this was a rather big catalyst to his final conversion towards Heisenberg.
People who defend Walt as a hero are massive fucking idiots... But that article the actress wrote about people hating her character because of my soggy knees... That's also bullshit.
> was a rather big catalyst to his final conversion towards Heisenberg.
True. Walt's pass at Carmen the following day was rather demonstrative of him shedding some of the last of his restraint. I mean, if I were putting myself through what Walt was enduring for the good of his family, and my family turned around and said, "Fuck you, we hate you," I think I'd be liable to snap, too.
> But that article the actress wrote about people hating her character because of my soggy knees... That's also bullshit.
You know, I felt really bad for Anna Gunn for all the shit she took 'cos of Skyler. If it's to be believed, she's even received death threats 'cos of the role (although why she receives them rather than, say, the writers who decide how Skyler acts and what she says, demonstrates the utter stupidity of those making such threats).
However, after her flat-out ridiculous article full of feminist falsehoods and "You can't hate Skyler or else you're a misogynist!" bullshit, I lost a lot of sympathy. Not that she (or anyone) should ever be threatened, 'cos that shit's the lowest of the low, but the hate for her because of Skyler seems a lot more deserved.
> People who defend Walt as a hero are massive fucking idiots.
Just how much do people defend him? I dunno if I've ever seen anyone label him a hero, but I do understand sympathizing with many of his actions while still accepting that many of those actions are morally gray at best.
> so I guess I'm a misogynist.
Whew. Glad we got that settled. Good talk.
> Walt's pretty fucking big part in it
You said it was just him dealing meth. Yeah dealing meth is bad, but that really isn't a reason to flaunt your indiscretions. Just fucking leave him if that's your deal.
He got her brother in law shot at that point, he had put is family in an extremely dangerous situation. He lied to her constantly. Context is very important here.
Like I said I never saw the show, but ya know, if there is one thing I learned from TV, it's that mocking criminals usually earns you a set of cement shoes, or if they are your SO, a drop off a bridge onto the path of an oncoming train.
edit: that said, I didn't watch the show and can only make judgements based on what I am being told. It seems like an innocuous thing to call someone a misogynistic woman hater over though.
Care to expand?
Walt was dealing meth. Pretty big piece of the puzzle there.
.... sooo i'll get downvoted for this, but..
that's it? that's the horrible thing he did to her was something he didn't do to her? (Full Disclosure: I've never seen not a single episode of this tv show ever)
Along with murder, lies, multiple cell phones, making a pass at a colleague who turned him down, hanging with drug dealers, becoming a MAJOR player with an unstable partner in the drug game...
But of course Skylar was supposed to remain the dutiful wife and just take it. Because Walt was apparently the hero, and the cheater is the scum of the earth...
> But of course Skylar was supposed to remain the dutiful wife and just take it. Because Walt was apparently the hero, and the cheater is the scum of the earth...
So why can't women just leave if they are unhappy? Let me guess the patriarchy prevented her from doing so? Cmon dude. Leave that shit on tumblr or SRS.
Why didn't she leave? I have no fucking clue, but despite your attempt to put me in a box I'm not going to blame patriarchy. I'm no SRSter (I hate the place, too crazy preachy). I don't bother with tumblr. I just see a bunch of people hating women across various shows while loving all the men and telling themselves gender has nothing to do with it.
> I don't bother with tumblr. I just see a bunch of people hating women across various shows while loving all the men and telling themselves gender has nothing to do with it.
Oh yes, criticizing your tv show means a bunch of people hate women across all your shows. Making a complaint about her being a cheater means everyone wants to be a meth dealing druggy. But no, please go on about how you are totally different from SRS and tumblr.
Wut.
Criticize the TV show all you want. If you just hate women across multiple shows on one network, however, what conclusion should somebody draw? That it just so happens that all the women are poorly written and acted across various writing teams and actors, while the fans have no biases and are as pure as the driven snow?
Now keep trying to tie my to SRS and tumblr despite despising both. If you can't do anything to address the point, just make up imaginary connections and declare victory.
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Not to get embroiled in this shit more than I am, but you're suggesting that Skyler was somehow righteous in treating Walt the way she did for a whole array of reasons that she had no knowledge about.
Not to mention, his clumsy pass at a colleague was in response to being cuckolded by his wife.
But none of this has anything to do with Walt. My comment, from the beginning, was simply demanding that I be able to call Skyler's actions petty and vindictive (and they were) without being automatically accused of misogyny. I mean, if the roles were reversed, and I was accusing Walt of having been petty and vindictive, I'd never have to worry about being accused of "misandry."
Since you opened the can of worms, let's keep going.
From the get go you were vague (and I don't mean "not summarizing the entire show" vague, I mean "selectively telling the story" vague), then immediately acted like a victim here, as if hating Skylar was some big cross you were bearing but HAD to tell the world about. Bravery, thy name is... whatever.
Then you list her sins which all come down to being a shitty person in a shitty situation, but ignore the greater context of the hate across fandom. People cheered Walt on for a list of sins a mile long and ten miles deep, but get absolutely livid at Skylar for actions that are tiny in comparison, not to mention understandable if you look at it with any other lens than WALT GOOD FUCK SKYLAR.
What conclusions should people draw when cheating gets you more hate than murder, meth dealing, rolling with dealers, intimidation, lies, treachery, and melting bodies? I mean shit, they had to have Walt kill fucking Nazis to redeem himself. Let that sink in. Nazis. But Skylar is the bad one, and people cheer Walt as the fallen anti-hero.
For all the excuses people make about hating Skylar, they can't explain what makes Walt's actions less vile or why they cheer him on while savaging her. Occam's Razor points to gender, but a bunch of angry men (who coincidentally also tended to hate Lori and Andrea on TWD in addition to Skylar on BrBa) have a million other flimsy excuses.
Once again, this does not regard Walt. How many times do I have to say it? I do not care how loathsome or celebrated Walt is. The only pertinent issue I'm concerned about here is not being allowed to criticize another character's actions without automatically being condemned as a misogynist.
I mean, look at yourselves, you're perpetuating a blatant double-standard even as you wail about one of your own. I'm not defending anyone who deifies Walt while vilifying Skyler -- I'm simply saying her actions in this situation were vicious and petty. But, no, I can't possibly condemn the petty revenge of a woman unless I'm a misogynist.
Furthermore, like most of your "MISOGYNIST!!"-crying brethren, you compare her to Walt, decide he's worse, and somehow that validates her. Get this -- they can both be bad. Shocking, I know.
Breaking (they're both) Bad.
Yes, they are both bad. I don't recall ever saying otherwise. My issue is that Walt is clearly worse, yet Skylar gets the hate.
Why? Even when people call Walt a monster, they do it in a somewhat admiring way. But cheat on your husband, and...
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