User in /r/Anarchism gets heavily down voted for not realizing his dog and chickens are equivalent to slavery and represent a violent hierarchy (np.reddit.com)
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238 comments submitted at 04:20:06 on Oct 7, 2014 by LurkMonster
Do these people realize that most of these species have evolved to be domesticated and dependent on humans for survival? Comparing farming or pet ownership to slavery and rape is simply ridiculous and offensive.
> Do these people realize that most of these species have evolved to be domesticated and dependent on humans for survival? Comparing farming or pet ownership to slavery and rape is simply ridiculous and offensive.
You are correct. And the end game in animal libertarian ethics is that those species need to go extinct.
Which is stupid.
In what way?
In the way that advocating "liberation" through extinction is ridiculously stupid. If you think about it on enough levels, it becomes a form of this "oppression" that "anarchists" whine about.
>In the way that advocating "liberation" through extinction is ridiculously stupid.
that's not an explanation, you're just repeating yourself.
Actually, I'm not. A re-read of both posts is in order.
I asked you why it's stupid. You're not answering, you're just rephrasing "it's stupid".
I gave a pretty succinct expansion on it: it's stupid for the same reasons that liberation through extinction are stupid.
Ok. Now, whether or not you've got the outlook to understand why saving something by destroying it is fundamentally ridiculous, then maybe I've got a few analogies that could help you out. But I don't need use any, do I?
>it's stupid for the same reasons that liberation through extinction are stupid.
which is...
come on, I know you can step off the circular argument carousel.
> whether or not you've got the outlook to understand why saving something by destroying it is fundamentally ridiculous, then maybe I've got a few analogies that could help you out
You think it's ridiculous because you don't understand the ethics of veganism, animal liberation and so on.
The point is not: to make animals happy; it is to reduce human caused suffering - the one we're responsible for most directly. The optimal solution is to neuter the last generations of farm animals and keep them in reservations until they die. The worse solution is the same one we use for stray dogs that can get no shelter, no help, no nothing: euthanasia. There is no way to relieve the suffering of farm species that were bred to die. If you have some alternative solutions, please say, I'd certainly appreciate a more positive solution.
>then maybe I've got a few analogies that could help you out. But I don't need use any, do I?
Oh, please do, I've got my vegan buttery popcorn right next to me.
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Better dead than dead!!!
In a sense, yes. The point is to stop the suffering and there's no way to stop the suffering of animals literally bred to be exploited, to suffer and to die. As others have noticed, (most) farm species would be unable to be wild.