A teen girl who left Austria to join ISIS has died. Says /r/worldnews: "good" (np.reddit.com)
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263 comments submitted at 19:05:06 on Sep 15, 2014 by loogawa
A teen girl who left Austria to join ISIS has died. Says /r/worldnews: "good" (np.reddit.com)
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263 comments submitted at 19:05:06 on Sep 15, 2014 by loogawa
I like the guy used the world's largest shoehorn to bring up his pet topic of currency theory in that thread.
These girls deaths are good for Bitcoin!
That's really what his take on it was...
Fiat currency caused ISIS!
And autism.
I simply cannot believe some of you write off joining ISIS as "well kids will be kids, we all make mistakes! :D". Come on, where do you draw the line between "stupid teenage mistake " and just being a dangerous psychopath? I have to believe it's way before you get to the "joining extremist death squad" step.
I don't think there is necessarily a line between those two. I feel pity that these schoolgirls could be so stupid to do this, so marginalised and unhappy that ISIS was not just romantic but appealing. I am also glad that ISIS has been weakened and I hate those girls for having joined a death cult.
It's more complicated than stupid mistake/psychopathy.
I think there is some middle ground between writing off her actions, and being glad she is dead.
How about being glad that a member of ISIS is dead? Especially when you think about all the damage they inflicted on the innocent people in Iraq.
I guess it depends on how much invested you are in the current situation. If you identify yourself with the victims and strongly feel for them, then members of ISIS are just enemies who are trying to kill people like you. If some of them die, then you are glad that there is less evil left to terrorize other innocents. The fact that someone lost their life is secondary to this.
If you see yourself as a third party who is seeing the battle from the outside, then you may feel something for the lives being lost on both sides and not just one side. Coming from a country that is frequently the target of terror attacks from people like ISIS, I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them.
Edit: I wouldn't celebrate these deaths as these were just kids and merely foot soldiers. However, there are people whose death I would definitely celebrate/feel happy about.
Yep. Converting religion is a fair enough choice. Become a terrorist though and you deserve what you get.
She was actively recruiting other terrorists. Her death is a damn good thing. I'm glad the terrorist is dead.
I mean... She tried converting others to join a jihad against the West.
Neither side is completely innocent in the blood shed but at least we aren't cutting off heads and uploading the videos on the Internet...
When did /r/watchpeopledie go offline?
It's good she's dead. Anybody who supports ISIS is a piece of shit, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMGMZsKXz94&t=25
This thread is as bad or worse than the worldnews one. /r/Atheism's understanding of Islam with a smug superiority complex.
How dare we believe ourselves superior to mass-murdering psychopaths.
I've only gotten about a quarter of the way through the thread, so I'm not sure what lies further in, but so far I haven't seen any major mention of Islam, just ISIS hate.
"Says some people on world news" ...
I'm pretty sure at age 15 not many people would want to join terrorists groups, especially not ISIS so its safe to say nothing of value was lost.
EDIT:Is it because she's a teenage girl?
so many stories of people joining ISIS then regretting it but this one seems to draw so much sympathy.
and please dont tell me about the 'value of life'. Once you make a decision to leave your home country to go and hwlp people commit genocide in the middle east then you cease to be a human in my eyes.
And this is not just a 'mistake' that a teenager would make and I find it completely absurd that some of you are even suggesting that.
I think the idea is it is sad since they were kids. Since many kids make horrible choices when they're that young, these just happen to make a huge horrible choice.
For all you know they could have been the next Hitler or Bill Gates if they lived and didn't fuck up. So maybe something of value was lost.
You can't describe joining a terrorist organization as a mistake, you know, that kids make.
I wouldn't say I feel good this girl is dead, but there are some decisions you don't get to unmake. Joining ISIS is for sure one of those.
They vandalized their school with pro-al Qaeda propaganda, alienated themselves from everyone else in their community, and fled their home for Syria to join up with a group whose claim to fame is being more ruthless than any other terrorist organization.
We're talking about forced conversion, murder, torture, and rape of men, women and children--the worst crimes in any society--and some people still think this is just a silly mistake. Like they were caught being out after curfew with the boy down the street.
I think some people are just having a hard time grasping the idea that there are awful, irredeemable people in this world who aren't just victims of circumstances but actively seek out to harm others in the worst ways possible.
I think some people are pointing out we shouldn't be celebrating people getting killed.
Maybe these people you hate so much do deserve to die. Maybe not. Either way, it doesn't mean we should be dancing a jig as they're killed.
Just sounds like standard cult behaviour to me though. This is what cults do. That's how people in cults behave. It's virtually textbook cultism. It might be a very large international cult with a potent religious component and heavy violence but it's still a cult.
They joined a genocidal group to kill people. At 15 you should be able to tell when killing an innocent person is right or wrong. Good riddance.
I dunno, have you seen This is England? I can imagine these cults attract disenfranchised youth who don't have friends and are always bullied or whatever. They would be very attractive to kids like that I think. Finally "one of the gang" and all that. You'll find British or European converts who join these cults like the Lee Rigby murderers are like that kid from This is England who never had friends or opportunities and was bullied and these gangs make them feel popular and a part of something for once.
It's a horrible thing that they're basically manipulated into joining the cause, but once people join a group like ISIS, they are essentially deadly weapons. Can't say that I'm happy that the kid is dead, but I am happy that there's one less extremely dangerous hate group member alive. Much better her than one of the innocents she'd take part in slaughtering.
That isn't an excuse. Their are hundreds, thousands of kids that age in similar situations and you don't see them running off to join the 'kill anything that moves' clan. People need to stop this female teenager worship - they were scum and deserve any US rocket that may land on their heads.
What are you talking about? When I was growing up us kids had plenty of terrorists groups to choose from so we could rebel against our parents. Hell I was running with 3 separate entities focused on spreading violence at one point when I was 16. It was a good year to have a driver's license.
Three terrorist organizations in your area? Where did you live, 1960s Belfast?
Heh.
Nah first century Palestine and the PLFoJ. Not like those PPJF bastards.
Don't you know that puking on a cop car is literally the same thing as traveling to another country to fight in a jihad?
It's a children's mistake. Besides it wasn't just joining. She also had to leave her home, take a plane to the Middle East and then travel to meet them. Any child could get caught up with that.
> You can't describe joining a terrorist organization as a mistake, you know, that kids make.
You most certainly can. Kids are lured into cults all the damned time. Best just to kill them then cheer for the bloodshed, though, eh?
There's a big difference between choosing to drive drunk, text naked selfies to your bf/gf or steal the keys to your dad's car and joining a terrorist organization. It takes some serious desire to want to go join a terrorist organization and if she decided to do that and was killed, great. She was obviously a piece of shit person.
Getting a tattoo of an asshole on your lower back is a dumb mistake. Joining a terrorist organization is not.
I don't know why this in particular has to be a big story. There are lots of boys as young as 12 that are pulled into groups like ISIS, but since they're from Iraq, Syria, etc, it's apparently no tragedy when they're gunned down.
It's a correlate to 'Missing White Woman Syndrome'.
People all over the world, children and adults, make horrible choices, and some of those choices you don't come back from. Joining a genocidal organization is one of them.
So that girl was already "lost". It's a good thing that she can no longer take any other person along the ride to hell with her.
That's what's "good" about it. She won't recruit, she won't kill, she won't maim nobody else ever again.
This isn't the same as doing drugs or getting a tattoo, they went to the middle east to kill innocent people. Yeah 15 is technically a kid, but at 15 you should know killing people is wrong. Good fucking riddance.
That's the thing though, this is more than just a horrible choice.
what 15 yr old thinks like that?
YEAH YEAH islamic extremism yolo swag lets go rape all these women and behead all these journalists then get bombed by american infidels.
Does it matter who thinks like that? Seriously. Yeah, that's a stupid thing to think (joining ISIS), but we don't know the circumstances of her life or what'd lead her to think that. She's still human. Her life still has/had value. It doesn't matter if it was more than a horrible choice. Saying that nothing of value was lost is disgusting.
Fifteen-year-olds make horrible, rash decisions all the time. There are plenty of them joining ISIS in the Middle-East. Plenty of Irish kids joined the IRA, or they'd do whatever they could to support them. They don't deserve to die, and their deaths are not "good". It's a sad situation. People loved them. They were just dumb kids.
The ones amidst the violence in the middle-east aren't the same as a kid in Europe. They have had to deal with war and terror and the decisions they make are fuelled by their environment. The twats that leave from Europe because they don't 'fit in' are idiot children. She was young and it's a sad loss of life but she could have done serious damage to other people. :/
Maybe their life has value but I'd still clear an airstrike on a camp with them in it and waste them and their ISIS mates.
> the next Hitler or Bill Gates
That's some interesting juxtapositioning there, Jerry.
sorry but i find it impossible to feel "sad" over this dumb kid's death. joining a terrorist movement that is currently slaughtering and raping it's way across the middle east cannot be chalked up to some dumb mistake that teens make. fuck that bitch, hopefully her death was slow and painful.
>nothing of value was lost.
A human being lost their life. I don't care if I completely disagree with what they were trying to do; I still am sad that her life is gone.
I get that we have to fight, I really do. But something of value was lost.
(Just my two cents.)
Are you really sad though, or more just "meh, that's a pretty unfortunate set of circumstance"
Lets agree to disagree on this.
I guess we're going to have to. A human life is not worthless.
Maybe it isn't the life that has worth, but how you use it? Granted, a 15 year old didn't get much opportunity to use it and was probably tricked into it by their propaganda, so it's not totally relevant here.
She left her home to join genocidal terrorists. She was wanted to convince others to follow. Saying her life is worthless is being too kind; she was actively trying to make the world a worse place. You can feel bad for the people she left behind who didn't join a terrorist group and still be totally fine that she's dead and not doing horrific things anymore.
Not only is some human life is worthless, a lot of human life has negative value.
While I can appreciate the sentiment, I find it hard to imagine the worth in someone promoting a group that is attacking and killing large amounts of innocent people. I feel like "worth" would at least imply that she's not actively hurting others.
That seems to be a pretty disregarded sentiment on Reddit. For what it's worth, I agree with you.
Apparently it is...
sigh This is one hell of a depressing thread.
People view ISIS as a kind of "ultimately evil" in the Middle-East, and that blinds them to the human aspect of war, so this is what we get. It's no wonder neo-cons are so popular.
She is proof that you are wrong. Some humans, such as her, are worthless.
It's sad to see such a comment being controversial.
You're sad about a terrorists losing their life?! lol sit your sensitive ass down somewhere please.
Well it does sound cold hearted but it was a member of a organisation that terrorizes the people of it's own country , blemishes a religion and advocates genocide so I'll have to agree with /u/TELLMEHOW-YOU_FEEL
I'm crying for that poor terrorist. I wish she was still alive so she could take another person's life because life is special.
so when osama lost his life where you sad too?
I wouldn't call a member of isis a human.
Sigh, stop dehumanizing people. Isis is made of people just like you and me, they only represent how dark and awful we can act. Simply pointing at them and yelling "MONSTER!" will not help anything.
Neither will defending them. If you have forgotten, these are people who behead and rape children, behead, rape and murder the yazidi. They behead anyone who isn't isis and you still defend them? Why don't you go join them.
He's not defending them. He's saying it's important to recognize that the atrocities ISIS is capable of are all too human. They are capable of committing these heinous acts because they are human. Othering groups that commit terrible crimes as inhuman or monsters may be comforting, because it's nice to think that there's no way that people who do these things could be in any way like us, but it's ultimately unhelpful. It's also an attitude that can result in a lot of collateral damage towards groups that may be seen as similar (for example, Japanese Americans circa WWII).
Being able to dismiss other people as less than human is pretty much the worst aspect of humanity as far as I'm concerned. If humans weren't so damn good at it, groups like ISIS wouldn't exist in the first place. Oh well I guess.
How am I defending them? I'm just saying calling everyone "evil" (which I use loosely since nothing is black and white. I'm sure a sizeable amount of people at Isis aren't the ones cutting off heads and fucking eye sockets, a sizeable amount saw their choice of joining them or dying and picked the former) a monster and dehumanizing them does nothing to help the core of the problem.
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> Why wouldn't someone's life have value? They have friends, family, children, or some reason to exist.
I exist because my parents fucked. Nothing more and nothing less.
> Besides, as soon as you start telling other folks that their lives don't have value, well, they're going to think the same of you.
So? I'll be the first person to tell you that my life is worthless. I'm just a drop in a sea of people. My death will sadden my family but have no impact whatsoever on the world at large.
> I'll be the first person to tell you that my life is worthless.
Yeah, about that. Therapy can help with that sort of thing, y'know.
Yep. I'm not that religious, but I do believe every life is priceless, and the death of anyone, no matter what they may have done, is not something to celebrate. Especially a teenager. Hate the ideas and the institutions that cause war, but don't hate the individuals who get wrapped up in it.
Unfortunately reddit in general is extremely against this concept.
For a child in a modernized nation to covert to a radical sect of Islam and join a terrorist organization in a far away nation, I really think that we're looking at a mental health issue. A bit young for schizophrenia, but still possible. I'd call this a loss if that were the case. Such things could possibly be fixed with medication and counseling.
I hope you are a pacifist, otherwise it would seem you have rather ridiculously inconsistent views.
Jihad is exciting, and a way of fighting for your culture and people. Western kids sometime do the same thing, especially for their countries in wartime. Idk why white Austrian girls would do it, but teenage girls are often fucking stupid.
> Jihad is exciting
heh, good one. I also wanted to go on christian crusades when I was 15. It seemed so exciting.
You were just born in the wrong century, that's all.
Good indeed. Stay in school and don't do terrorism kids.
> I hope someone at least got that sweet pussy before she died, mmmmm mmmmm
What the actual fuck?
Obvious troll calm down
Don't express moral indignation over internet trolls? Which subreddit do you think you're in?
All SRD does is fucking feed the trolls.
Welp, I don't need to be in this thread anymore.
> Legal in the UK and doesn't violate the age creepiness factor for me. Id be happy with the 16 year old one
and
> I'm 32 and I still find them attractive. What's wrong with that?
It's just mind-boggling. I mean, this shit is dubious enough when it's posted under a picture of a random high schooler in a bikini, but are we really gonna start up this circlejerk in a story about a dead teenaged muslim extremist? Is that where we're at?
Sexist as fuck? Yep thats Reddit.
Yeah that negative 61 comment really represents reddit.
Mr. Reddit is pedofile
Not understanding dark humor? Yep, that's Reddit.
Except when the butt of the joke is about a white guy. Then it ain't funny at all. Amirite?
you can't make dark humor about white people
dark humor = prejudice + melanin
No, then its hilarious.
>I'm 32 and I still find them attractive. What's wrong with that?
Well, you're 32.
There is nothing wrong with it as they are well into puberty so it is entirely normal to find them attractive. Tough I dont think it is a good conversation to have when we are talking about dead terrorists..
good lord please protect my kids from these deviants and perverts
Link?
>Yeah, those people fuck children all the time. It is kind of the basis for the religion.
Oh dear.
I abandoned the thread after that.
Better her dying than an innocent. Cause, you know, that's what they go there for
Where the hell were the parents when their kid left the country to join ISIS?
ISIS.
I can't imagine ISIS treating women well, even if they do voluntarily join. They are signing up to be raped and sold for profit. Either they have been lied to about what ISIS really is or they grew up with some pretty fucked up morals.
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Everyone who joins IS is scum, and I will not mourn or feel sorry for them.
At first I thought she was a Muslim immigrant to Austria and then I was sad. Then I saw that she was an Austria kid who randomly converted and then I was lol.
I dunno how they thought they would blend in with ISIS, just two random white teenage girls. That actually sounds like a good plot for a movie haha.
They are probably going to be sold as sex slaves. Austria is a first world country, how did they not know what they were signing up for?
Yeah that or hostages, and I guess they were just edgy dumb kids so they didn't really know that white women wouldn't really be accepted into the ranks.
I don't even think Arab women would be accepted into the ranks.
Apparently they run brothels for the troops but that's pretty much it. But on the other hand there was a white woman from Northern Ireland who runs with Al-Shabaab.
Makes sense—they have a good history of runners in the Horn of Africa.
> run brothels for the troops
Ummm, wouldn't that be like, not kosher or whatever they call it? Haram?
*not sure why downvotes. Isn't prostitution considered not okay/Haram?
They consider women as property. And considering that there are specific rules for maintaining concubines , a harem wouldn't be haram. They'd just take multiple wives or turn them into concubines.
I wish I knew Arabic so I could come up with a witty double entendre with Haram and Harem.
I'm pretty sure that harem is derived from haram to be the English term for having a bunch of wives and concubines. English made it dirty long ago.
It's not Haram if it's in a Harem? Okay, I'm not very good at this.
In my mind's eye, I'm picturing a sleazy Islamist strip club in Raqqa called The Haram Harem.
It's possible a white woman would be more acceptable than an Arab woman. Race and gender intersect in interesting ways in the Middle East. I've worked in SE Turkey (the most "Middle Eastern" region) and the men were more comfortable being given instructions by a white woman than Turkish one.
Remember Four Lions? That was a great movie.
I'm imagining a mash up of that and Springbreakers.
Maybe of one them has a boyfriend who gets killed by a drone strike while home for vacation so they join the cause to get revenge. Then they muddle through combining teenage antics and escaping from US checkpoints by flirting with guards with boot camp weapons training and bomb making. Then finally the cautious one dies trying to save her friends life so she gives and cones home after learning a valuable life lesson.
Shit will be mint. Awards and critical acclaim for days.
EDIT: Or did you mean the porn version where they get gangland by dirty terrorists and then get set straight by the mighty power of western dick? Cause that could work too (although they'd have to change it so they're in college)
Spring Breakers 2?
This really would be an amazing movie. Like Clueless Part 3: Spring Break in Syria
They don't need to blend in. If they radically accept whatever ISIS believes in they usually are welcomed. The biggest Islamic troublemakers in western countries are often native people who converted to Islam.
Even if they accept ISIS's beliefs they would still stick out a bit, but I could see them being accepted due to the propaganda and infiltration value of them.
The impression I've got is they are welcomed for the propaganda value and are either put to use enjoying a student holiday lifestyle (to attract more Westerners), are turned into suicide bombers who prempt ISIS attacks or in the case of women are assigned roles in care and baby manufacture. I don't know of any from outside Syria or Iraq in leadership positions, and no doubt the higher-ups intend to keep it that way.
Jesus christ, SRD really can't pick their battles, can they?
But she's a precious teenage girl!
Holy fuck this sub is the worst.
It seems like towards the top we've got people smacking down the "she was just a teenager" rhetoric, which is good.
I'm fairly sure reddit has the opinion that kids and ESPECIALLY teenagers are in full control of their actions and know exactly what they're doing so why is it now that they're like "oh she was ONLY a teenager"? She knew full well what she was doing.
Why does each fucking sub have to come up with their own variation on what np css does? Seriously, it's fucking annoying and pointless and just makes me switch it to a www. link, and at this point I'm thinking of making an extension to do that automatically.
It only really bothers me when they hide the vote counts and/or the usernames of the posters. Completely defeats the purpose of having NP links because now I have to circumvent them entirely in order to get a decent understanding of what's going on.
When np was first introduced 2XC used it to flash up a big load of text instead of the thread, using a lot of words to say 'we don't like being linked to'. At that time SRD mods had the sense to then make an exception to the np rule for them, and they abandoned the idea. Now I doubt the mods would do that for fear of the admins, despite the fact that np is a clumsy workaround css hack that exists because reddit doesn't give mods the tools to enforce its own rules. Frustrating.
Besides this np linking is just a basic 'cover my bases' rule that has no effect actually. People just ignore them anyway and vote/comment on them anyway.
Honestly I hate ISIS just as much as the next guy - but I wouldn't be happy about the death of anyone. It's kinda disgusting that there are people gaining joy from this.
But on a side note what I find sadder about what happened is that these kids were manipulated/brought into extremism in places that considered themselves safe. It's scary to think that you could be doing your best to raise a child to be an outstanding citizen but then some asshole ends up corrupting your kids brain with nonsense that leads to shit like this.
Who knows what they had awaiting them in the future but now that's gone because some dude/dudette took advantage of their young age and impressionability and turned them to extremism.
> I wouldn't be happy about the death of anyone
People like you are weird. What makes human lives so special, that we can't waste a single one? Even the bad ones, nope, gotta save those and put those to the side and see if we can make them all ripe and juicy again.
I don't get it. Have you never interacted with a true piece of shit human being before? Because I have, a couple being my own family members. There are people out there that deserve to die, and there are people out there who if they died, would improve the quality of life for just about everyone they've come across by being dead.
Humans aren't special. We never were, we never will be. We're just lucky little mutations that can do some neat things.
>We're just lucky little mutations that can do some neat things.
And that's what makes human lives special to me, personally. You keep bringing up the argument of "if someone rapes a little kid they deserve death," but that's not what's being excused.
It's sad because we only have this life and things could have gone so differently, but that's all gone now. Does it mean we sympathize with the person? No, not in the way you think. More like, "What a shame. A waste of a life."
Not "omg no one deserves to die or suffer. Sure he was a child molester but he's also a PERSON!"
And I think most people, me included, only say they wouldn't celebrate anyone's death in certain circumstances. Even then I wouldn't call it celebrating. It's just me going "well that's over. Can't say I feel any sympathy." I don't feel a positive emotion when I hear things like the ones in the original post. I'm neutral, leaning towards "well that sucks. They were so young, but this isn't exactly a typical mistake a teenager makes. Still, I wonder why they decided to go for it." Not simply "good."
> There are people out there that deserve to die, and there are people out there who if they died, would improve the quality of life for just about everyone they've come across by being dead.
Sure, of course there are people like that. But like I said, I think for most people with the same opinion as me and the person you're replying to, it really depends on the context. It's not a blanket statement made only after applying it to every conceivable scenario.
> Humans aren't special. We never were, we never will be.
It's fine if you believe that, but it doesn't make it true. You don't get to decide what's considered special or not special to other people. I'm also against the death penalty, does that mean I have flawed reasoning and that I believe that " nope, gotta save those and put those to the side and see if we can make them all ripe and juicy again"?
No, not exactly. But in some circumstances, I would advocate for rehabilitation, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not black and white.
Speaking for myself, I don't believe humans are special, but I don't ever want to judge that someone deserves to die. It seems to be a slippery path to becoming a hateful and angry person.
Not really, if someone rapes and kills a little girl, I will want them dead. It doesn't mean I'm gonna want every criminal dead after that. Give yourself a little credit, your brain has the capacity to deprecate emotions between different people.
> People like you are weird. What makes human lives so special, that we can't waste a single one?
Good fucking grief.
There is a pretty large leap between "human beings aren't special, some people deserve to die," and "the death of this random teenage girl I've never heard of before has made me happy."
> but I wouldn't be happy about the death of anyone
That was the quote. The person I replied to already took it away from being about the girls and applied it to humans as a whole. As for those girls, they did what they did. So be it. I am neither happy, nor sad. They're 2 among billions that I will never know and as such, I feel no way about it.
Tbh I don't mind the real members of ISIS, like the ones who actually execute hostages, being killed. They're honestly straight up evil, and I'm not going to shed any tears for them.
But seeing a teenager become deluded by such an organization, and then pay for it with their life, is pretty damn heartbreaking :(.
> But seeing a teenager become deluded by such an organization, and then pay for it with their life, is pretty damn heartbreaking :(.
Hate to break it to you but this is probably how a large amount, if not a majority of young men become involved in ISIS. Young, unemployed men are a prime target for radicalization and recruitment. They are often frustrated, hopeless, and seeking some sort of direction or cause. Teenagers fit that bill perfectly. "Real members" of ISIS were normal kids at one point too, they weren't born evil, they were deluded in the same way these girls were.
It's kinda like the younger Boston bomber. He got sucked into it by his brother. I wouldn't cry for his dying in a boat as much as I'd cry for the girl being killed in an airstrike. Same with John Walker and the other Western sympathizers/members of al Qaeda/ISIS. If we can capture and arrest them? Great. Kill them on the battlefield? Not worth crying a river.
Yeah, I think I always knew that, but I never really thought about that. That just makes these terrorist organizations all that much sadder :(.
I try to keep in mind that they (terrorist organizations) would probably argue that we use very similar, if not the same types of tactics to get young people to join our military. While there is an ocean of a difference the size of the Pacific between what the US military does and what ISIS does and the morality that informs them, it can't be denied that many people join the military in the US because they are poor, lack opportunity, and want some direction in life. Buzzwords and promises are used by both sides to motivate people to join their cause. It could be God for one person and freedom for another, but the end result is young men fighting and dying for things much bigger than themselves.
TL;DR: War fucking sucks for everyone involved.
How was she not a real member of ISIS? Do you have to be brown-skinned and male for that?
Same. I can't even comprehend hearing about a death of any nature and thinking "YES!". That's creepy as fuck to me and would make me want to avoid anyone who thinks like that. Even when Osama Bin Laden was killed, I got that it was a good thing. But I was so unnerved by the straight up celebrating that people were doing. I don't, and can't get it.
If somehow I become so jaded and bitter that my first thought when I hear that a kid died is "good", I give you all persmission to shoot me
I'm with you on that.
I'm sorry ISIS is fucking horrible but she was a fucking child.
I am a softie, I can't stand hearing about kids dying
she was an idiot, no doubt, but it's still tragic
I don't understand why the young people that join the ISIL in Iraq get less sympathy though. Kids with no money and easily pursuaded. There's no difference.
I have sympathy, but no one makes any posts to discuss about non-white kids.
why the fuck is a comment chain showing compassion for a life have controversial crosses.
what the fuck reddit.
Apparently it's been decided that the justified punishment for making poor decisions is death. :/
Joining a terrorist group is a pretty poor decision.
Yes. Doesn't mean they deserve to die for it, or that they are undeserving of sympathy for being coerced into making that poor decision.
No one is saying that they deserve to die, but I don't understand how anyone with a sane mind can look at ISIS, and say, "I want to be a part of that". She even tried to recruit her fucking friends man. She actively tried to persuade her friends to help one of the shittiest pieces of trash on earth. I mean this is like signing up to help at a concentration camp in WW2, I could honestly give less of a fuck about someone who is signing up for genocide. The only reason anyone cares about this is because it's a teenage girl. I promise you, half of the deaths in ISIS have a story similar to some kid being brain-washed into thinking they are doing the right thing, but no one gives a fuck about them.
I don't think I'd be able to cry over a friend being killed in an airstrike who tried actively recruiting others for a group that would get a boner for cutting my head off and filming it for the world to see.
They deserved to die.
Just how do you think IS recruit people? They aren't dumb, they know how to work propaganda and they know how to exploit prejudice and they know how to identify and target vulnerable people and they know how to appear attractive and exciting and dangerous and revolutionary and holy and portray themselves as brave freedom fighters fighting evil in the world. These people know what they're doing, the image they project and the promises they make will not be what you think they are.
Think about Scientology or other cults. Do they just waltz up to people and tell them they're a cult and convince them to join on the spot? Do they ever portray a realistic image of Scientology when recruiting? No, they target and exploit vulnerable people over several months using several psychological and propaganda techniques to brainwash people making all sorts of false promises and utopian dreams and offering all sorts of answers to their problems. IS will be just the same.
> No one is saying that they deserve to die
You need to read the rest of this thread.
> No one is saying that they deserve to die,
Except a shitload of people in /r/worldnews and in this very thread. Even putting the outright "they deserve to die" statements aside, how do you interpret "good" in any other way in this context?
> She even tried to recruit her fucking friends man. She actively tried to persuade her friends to help one of the shittiest pieces of trash on earth. I mean this is like signing up to help at a concentration camp in WW2, I could honestly give less of a fuck about someone who is signing up for genocide.
This is pretty typical of someone who's been roped into a cult or cult-like organisation. She's certainly responsible for her actions, but it certainly doesn't condemn her. The Nazis had no shortage of Jewish volunteers for various tasks in concentration camps - granted, this was because they hoped they would receive better treatment, or be spared. But there are plenty of people who said "come on! How could they possibly cooperate, knowing it was they who were next?"
> The only reason anyone cares about this is because it's a teenage girl. I promise you, half of the deaths in ISIS have a story similar to some kid being brain-washed into thinking they are doing the right thing, but no one gives a fuck about them.
I do. I care a lot. Maybe a lot of us do, and you've leapt to a conclusion about their motivation.
Let me rephrase this, only reason this is news is because it is a teenage girl.
sympathy for people responsible for countless murders? What fucking planet do you soft ass hippies live on?! Damn If i ever become this naive,please kill me.
What about the other young men who join the ISIS? I don't see anyone giving them sympathy even though they arguably have more insentive. It's inconsistent thinking.
You also need to read the rest of this thread. Plenty are expressing sympathy. You're just ignoring or mocking them.
This whole thread has been eight kinds of screwed up.
Compassion = idiocy, I guess...
What happens if people then say "good" about you getting shot? Seems like a vicious cycle.
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I don't think I'd personally take time out of my day to celebrate a 15 year old's death like the linked OP did here, but it's also kinda hard to imagine this sub lecturing about mental illness and youthful mistakes to someone who celebrated Elliot Rodger's death.
Actually, knowing worldnews, I'm surprised they aren't pro-ISIS.
I'm surprised I haven't seen them try to karmawhore with their own videos of harassing and murdering Jews and other minorities.
I remember most kids hated being at church/mosques growing up.. Now kids these days want to join a religious group that is pretty much church 24/7.
I remember reading somewhere that religion is on the rise among this generation. They could also see this as actually doing something and being a part of that something.
I'm not condoning it, mind you, only giving a possible reason. I got into metal and hardcore and read the Communist Manifesto and fancied my self an anarchist to rebel at different points in my life. I may be angry but I'm a nonviolent dude
Oh shit, is teenage religious-ness going to be the new teenage communism?
I stay away from /r/worldnews. All the muslim-bashing sickens me.
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/r/WorldNews is mostly just YouTube comments.
I tried replying in this thread and wanted to write something clever in this thread but couldn't finish any of these posts. This story is just fucking sad and reddit's reaction is actually disgusting and makes me sick.
Good.